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Magnus Carlsen vs Wesley So
Altibox Norway (2017), Stavanger NOR, rd 1, Jun-06
Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jun-06-17
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  Marmot PFL: Black understands the distant opposition.
Jun-06-17
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  PawnSac:


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Stockfish 7 x64:
55/2 00:54 135,649k 2,479k 0.00 Ng6-e5

Jun-06-17
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  ChessHigherCat: < PawnSac: < ChessHigherCat: What did Stockfish think when I suggested 37. Nd8 instead of Na5? >

Nd8 was the preferred move. >

Yes, see, in all modesty, I'm always right. No, far from it, but the only justification for playing Na5 would be to lure the K to wrong side of the board while the white king snarfed up the pawns, and Carlsen didn't follow through on it. Reminds of my Dr. Strangelove to Premier Kissoff: But the whole point of the Doomsday Machine is that it has to be made public, why didn't you make it public!

Jun-06-17
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  watwinc: White to move - draw.
Jun-06-17
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  AylerKupp: <watwinc> The position after 44.Nxg7 was a theoretical draw according to the Lomonosov databases. I say "theoretical" because, of course, this is an endgame played between two players, and anything could have happened, particularly if they got into time trouble.
Jun-06-17
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  PawnSac: < ChessHigherCat: < PawnSac: < ChessHigherCat: What did Stockfish think when I suggested 37. Nd8 instead of Na5? > Nd8 was the preferred move. >

..the only justification for playing Na5 would be to lure the K to wrong side of the board while the white king snarfed up the pawns.. >

If the truth be known and he was asked specifically in post game interview AND if he was really honest, he would probably make a statement to the effect that he saw the position as drawn either way, but the Na5 move gave black more opportunity to go wrong. Give a player enough rope and he may hang himself. That's often a good idea in games. Give your opponent plenty of opportunity to make mistakes.

Jun-06-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Pawn Sac> I really don't think so. It's not so much a matter of honesty because it's a very complex position and superhuman calculations are involved, especially since white has to worry about his own pawns being eaten up by the black knight, too, but in general the black king is out of play and if C. had attacked the black pawns directly (or at least less circuitously) I think he probably would have won. +0.07 is not very dramatic but I admit I think Carlsen is better than So, so it might be enough
Jun-06-17  Strelets: The tricky thing about a game like this is that it's not entirely clear if either Carlsen or So made a mistake or if their play could be improved at any point.
Jun-06-17
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  tuttifrutty: <Marmot PFL: Carlsen used the line in the WC match to avoid risks and reach the speed playoff.>

And couldn't crack Wesley with a million dollar preparation. Magnus eat his own words...a risk taker indeed...now you tell me.

Ended up using his old habit...his cheap end trick...What worked against Naka and the rest didn't make Wesley blink sending shivers down Magnus spine...

Wesley <the real deal> is completely polished...

1. Opening phase- complete
2. Middle game phase- complete
3. End game phase- complete

He now just need to find Magnus weaknesses and snatch his crown. Is Wesley ready? You tell me.

Jun-06-17
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  Calli: The Trap: after the kings move across in opposition 56.Ke3 Ke7 57.Kd3 Kd7 58.Kc4, we arrive at 58...?


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If Black continues thoughtlessly with Kc6?, he loses! 58...Kc6 59.g5 h6xg5 60.h5 and White's pawn Queens first because Black's king has been lured "out of the square" of h pawn while White can catch the g pawn.


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Jun-06-17
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  tamar: Every schoolboy and Admiral Ackbar can attest to that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4...
Jun-06-17
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  RookFile: What a tricky ending! So must have been very happy indeed to survive this.
Jun-06-17  Uncheck: 37.N-c5 was a better move. I takes two squares away from the black N.
Jun-06-17
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  Tiggler: <RookFile: What a tricky ending! So must have been very happy indeed to survive this.> He almost nodded off, it was so tense. Wouldn't have mattered - he could draw that ending in his sleep.
Jun-07-17
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  RookFile: I have no doubt that So has great mastery of the endgame.
Jun-07-17  Sally Simpson: Here after 59.Kd4


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Carlsen offered a draw forgetting you are not allowed too. The arbiter said 'No'

This game and all the others except Nakamura v Giri ended in three fold rep.

Jun-07-17
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  Tiggler: <Carlsen offered a draw forgetting you are not allowed too. The arbiter said 'No'>

So should have demanded that the game be forfeited.

Jun-08-17
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  tuttifrutty: <So should have demanded that the game be forfeited.>

So isn't Akobian, he is undoubtedly a class player worthy of emulation.

Jun-08-17  The Boomerang: "He now just need to find Magnus weaknesses and snatch his crown. Is Wesley ready? You tell me."

I'ts a shame Wesley cant bring the same level in blitz.....keep getting destroyed by Magnus.

He's had years to find a weakness. Its not about weakness. About execution of moves at the highest level.

Jun-08-17  epistle: Since Carlsen is <his> weakness (charot!), it is pointless for him to find the former's own.
Jun-10-17  Jack Kerouac: Number 1 and number 2 in the world playing a Morphy era opening. Que the PIANO at the end of 'Day in the Life'....E Major....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNi...
Jun-10-17
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  Dionysius1: Hi Calli>. Does White queening first mean he wins? 63 h8(Q) g1(Q) doesn't look like a win for white to me - what am I missing?
Jun-10-17  beatgiant: <Dionysius1>
58...Kc6 59. g5 hxg5 60. h5 g4 <61. Kd4> and, like <Calli> said, <White can catch the g-pawn>
Jun-18-17
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  Flemming: After 23 Rxc7 Black could have been tempted to "attack" 23. ...Ra1+ 24. Kh2 Qf4+ but after 25. g3 Black is in trouble.
Jun-21-17
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  Dionysius1: Thanks <beatgiant> I stand corrected
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