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|Jun-07-17|| ||Ulhumbrus: 8 Nd5 leaves the e4 pawn en prise. It looks like either a blunder or mistaken preparation|
|Jun-07-17|| ||Fanques Fair: I have always had a skeptical view of Nc3 in the Ruy Lopez. Here, Kraminik grabs the e4-pawn and never Anand gets it back.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||Fanques Fair: Actually, he gets it back, but then with a slight positional disadvantage thank´s to Black´s superior queen and rook.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||Fanques Fair: And now, ladies and gentleman, in this historical score between two former world champions, Anand leads with one, Kramink having diminished the difference, Anand 10 , Kramink 9, with 72 draws, in classical games.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||Marmot PFL: Gambits like this almost never succeed these days. Black just returns the pawn to simplify and gets an easy game.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||JPi: I do not understand why Anand didn't take the pawn back with a slightly better pawn structure at move 21.Bxc7? Sure the bishop is out of play for few moves after d6 (21...Rac8 22.Ba5) but even in this case Ba5-Bb4-Ba3 and Bc1 with h4 seems quite pleasant. In theses moves can Black develop a counter attack? I fail to see it.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||JPi: Whatever Kramnik play in the technical part of Q+p vs Q is quite impressive!|
|Jun-07-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Ulhumbrus: 8 Nd5 leaves the e4 pawn en prise. It looks like either a blunder or mistaken preparation> Anand would never make a blunder like that on move 8 so it must have been some kind of specially prepared gambit: 8. Nd5 Nxe4 9. Qd2 and black can't support the knight with f5 because of double check and if black retreats the knight to f6, then 10. Nxe4 and if Re8 11. Nxc6! attacking the Q, but maybe 10. ...Qe7 pins the knight successfully?|
|Jun-07-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Marmot PFL> Sorry, I didn't to mean to ignore your answer, I was just correcting an error and didn't see it until later.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||devere: It seems to me that 34.Qxc7 was the losing move, and instead 34.a4 would have held the balance.|
|Jun-07-17|| ||Marmot PFL: Analysis by Svidler-
|Jun-07-17|| ||RookFile: I love it. Nd5 leaves a pawn en prise.
Some people would call that a "gambit".
|Jun-07-17|| ||PhilFeeley: So the error was way back on move 8?|
|Jun-08-17|| ||bubuli55: 34.a4 looks drawish. Anand took too much risks in this game.|
|Jun-08-17|| ||bubuli55: Perhaps 31.Qb1|
|Jun-08-17|| ||HeMateMe: < Fanques Fair: And now, ladies and gentleman, in this historical score between two former world champions, Anand leads with one, Kramink having diminished the difference, Anand 10 , Kramink 9, with 72 draws, in classical games. >|
They seem evenly matched....
|Jun-08-17|| ||Ulhumbrus: On the chessbase website GM Alejandro Ramirez indicates that Anand does have compensation for the pawn - the bishop pair with Black's exposed game - but that Anand makes at least two errors. The first is 21 Be5 giving up the bishop pair to regain the pawn. Instead of this according to GM Alejandro Ramirez 21 Bxc7 regains the pawn whilst keeping the bishop pair while 21 h4 followed by hxg5 leaves Black with an exposed g5 pawn. Anand's second mistake is 34 Qxc7? giving Black an outside passed pawn. Anand's central pawn majority is less dangerous for Black as there are fewer pieces on the board and in addition to this Black is able to exchange rooks. Here is a link to the page on the chessbase website: http://en.chessbase.com/post/altibo...|
|Jun-08-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Hmm.. after 41... a3 the longest variation is 29 moves to mate for Black. |
In fact there's only one variation where White doesn't 'offer' their Queen or the Black pawn does not fatally occupy a2 in just 3 moves and that is 42. Kh2
|Jun-08-17|| ||Olavi: < Fanques Fair: And now, ladies and gentleman, in this historical score between two former world champions, Anand leads with one, Kramink having diminished the difference, Anand 10 , Kramink 9, with 72 draws, in classical games. >|
The closer to the recent day we come, the more unreliable the chessgames statistics become. That's because very many events from the 90's on are listed as classical games, while in fact they are rapid. Easy examples are the Frankfurt Classics and Siemens Giants tournaments.
In this case at least Moscow 1994 and Monaco 1996 were rapid. After a very quick look I'd say perhaps it's 9-8 Anand.
|Jun-08-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: A long time ago I knew I guy from work who played tournament chess.|
He called the "Ruy Lopez" the "Roy Lopez".
|Jun-08-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: Ruy is just the Spanish variant of the Old French "roy" (modern French roi = king) so it's not that ridiculous. They're both just the result of barbarians mispronouncing the Latin regis (genitive of rex).|
|Jun-09-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: NB on my tab Stockfish keeps on suggesting 35... a4 (which leads to a draw).|
While Kramnik's 35... Qd2 leads to a win.
|Jun-17-17|| ||cormier: 0.54 21. Qd2 Qd8 22. Qe2 cxb3 23. axb3 a5 24. h4 d6 25. c4 Bc6 26. Qd1 e3 27. Rxe3 Rxe3 28. fxe3 Qe7 29. d5 Bd7 30. Qd3 Re8 31. hxg5 hxg5 32. Re1 Qd8 33. Qd4 Nh5|
Stockfish 8 depth 21
|Jun-17-17|| ||cormier: -0.18 34. a4 Re7 35. Rb1 Qe2 36. Qxe2 Rxe2 37. Rb5 Rc2 38. Rxa5 Rxc3 39. Ra7 Kf6 40. a5 Ke6 41. a6 Kd7 42. Ra8 Kc6 43. Rf8 Ra3 44. Rxf7 Rxa6 45. Rh7 Ra4 46. Rxh6 Rxd4 47. Rg6|
Stockfish 8 depth 25
|Jun-17-17|| ||cormier: -0.84 34... Qxa2 35. Qb7 a4 36. f4 Rf6 37. f5 d5 38. Qb4 Qc2 39. Rf2 Qc1+ 40. Rf1 Qe3+ 41. Kh2 Qd3 42. Kg1 Ra6 43. Qa3 Qe3+ 44. Kh2 Qe2 45. Kg1 Qd3 46. Rf3 Qe4 47. Rf1 Qe2 48. Rf3 Qc2 49. Rf1 Rc6 50. Qe7 Qxc3 51. f6+ Kg6 52. Qe5|
Stockfish 8 depth 26
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