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|Jun-11-17|| ||Ariogermano: 48.Nh7|
|Jun-11-17|| ||Ariogermano: Sorry 48.Nh5|
|Jun-11-17|| ||JimNorCal: Is Naka hinting at a draw?
Rg4 Rd2 Rg8 Rf2
And perhaps gaining time on the clock by forcing Kramnik to think about it all
|Jun-11-17|| ||BOSTER: When black pawns on the one side
of the board, knight is equal with bishop.
|Jun-11-17|| ||JimNorCal: I assume Kramnik will want to avoid playing blitz against Hikaru.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||Ariogermano: JimNor , you had right|
|Jun-11-17|| ||BOSTER: Black rook is more active.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||An Englishman: Good Morning: Nice save by Nakamura; will prove interesting to learn if Kramnik fumbled away an advantage, or if Black always had a better position that it appeared. Still wondering why neither player pushed a passed pawn.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||SirRuthless: Drawn. Interesting fighting game. I thought Kramnik had something when Nakamura played Re2 but missed a finesse. He played the fast Bxc6 when he should have deflected the Rook to another rank or file with Bf3 first and only then taken on c6. Had he driven the rook to the f file then Nex6 would have been on later and he gets a much better endgame and if he drives the rook to the third rank his king can avoid having to go to b1 after Rxa2 and he probably kills that line altogether and gets three connected passers qside. Nakamura started to leak some oil but it wasn't enough and he got his active counterplay which all stemmed from the running h pawn. This goes back to the theme of <fawn pawns> which have served him well in this event.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||JimNorCal: What's a fawn pawn?|
|Jun-11-17|| ||offramp: <ChessHigherCat: <offramp: I just used "passer" once (last year?) because I saw it another post and thought it was correct, isn't there some kind of linguistic statute of limitations?>|
A <passer> is something which is going to pass something else. Either that or a kind of sparrow.
IF something has already passed something else it cannot be a passer, can it? It is PASSED.
I do understand that chess kibitzers can be in a frightful rush, and do not have the time to write PASSED PAWN (11 keystrokes) and so they decide to type PASSER (only 6 keystrokes!) and that means they can get to their important appointments 5 keystrokes earlier.
|Jun-11-17|| ||whiteshark: Well, Kramnik tried hard, but somehow couldn't transform it into victory|
|Jun-11-17|| ||JimNorCal: Use of "passer" is not laziness though. It's a legit chess term coined by GM H Kmoch some decades ago. It's fine to decry the use but it's a real word.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||SirRuthless: A <fawn pawn> is a pawn that is shoved down the board as in x4-x5-x6...earlier on in a game that has a key role in the result of the game. Each of Naka's games can be characterized by his <fawn pawn> maneuvers. I made a post about it upthread.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||Sally Simpson: What is a fawn pawn
Game Collection: Fawn Pawns
|Jun-11-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Offramp> That's just it, I thought a "passer" was a potential passed pawn that is in a position to get around the existing obstacles as opposed to a passed pawn that has really passed them, but that said, the whole subject is passé.
What really gets my goat is Londoners who say "Take the underground" instead of "Kindly avail yourself of our splendid underground metropolitan railway system" just so they can catch their train without waiting 5 hours for the next one.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||JimNorCal: A list of neologisms from Kmoch's Pawn Power In Chess
Thanks for the fawn pawn responses, new to me!
|Jun-11-17|| ||JimNorCal: From Sally's link, the origin of the term, too funny!|
The noted youtube chess video annotator Tryfon Gavriel- known as <Kingscrusher>- calls them <Thorn Pawns>. However, Tryfon has a heavy English accent, so we thought he was saying <Fawn Pawns>.
|Jun-11-17|| ||Ulhumbrus: Perhaps at the end both players were not sure whether to play for a win or a draw and thought that they would risk losing the game if they attempted to win it|
|Jun-11-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <JimNorCal: From Sally's link, the origin of the term, too funny!|
The noted youtube chess video annotator Tryfon Gavriel- known as <Kingscrusher>- calls them <Thorn Pawns>. However, Tryfon has a heavy English accent, so we thought he was saying <Fawn Pawns>.>
He must be the one who inspired Debussy's "Prélude a l'apres midi d'une épine"
|Jun-11-17|| ||Strelets: <ChessHigherCat> M. Debussy was never one to avoid the point.|
|Jun-11-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: < offramp: ...
I do understand that chess kibitzers can be in a frightful rush, and do not have the time to write PASSED PAWN (11 keystrokes) and so they decide to type PASSER (only 6 keystrokes!) and that means they can get to their important appointments 5 keystrokes earlier.>
Often during live chess, the appointment is with a bag of Doritos or the refresh button.
|Jun-11-17|| ||peyote: Kramnik did indeed,win the Press Conference|
|Jun-12-17|| ||HeMateMe: are there thong pawns?|
|Jun-12-17|| ||JimNorCal: <peyote>: Kramnik did indeed,win the Press Conference|
Did either player explain why passed pawns were not pushed? Odd decision, that.
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