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Sergey Karjakin vs Levon Aronian
Altibox Norway (2017), Stavanger NOR, rd 7, Jun-14
Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  0-1
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Jun-14-17  Superjet: Nice game levon
Jun-14-17
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  chancho: Kramnik beats Carlsen and Aronian showing that he belongs in the championship conversation.
Jun-14-17
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  Marmot PFL: Very rare to see a game go 40+ moves and one piece (the white QR) never moves.
Jun-14-17
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  HeMateMe: terrific game.
Jun-14-17  N0B0DY: <Nobody> ever won by resigning.
Jun-14-17
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  beatgiant: <chancho> <Kramnik beats Carlsen and Aronian showing that he belongs in the championship conversation.>

Did you get the names switched here? It was Aronian who beat Carlsen and Kramnik.

Jun-14-17
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  chancho: Kramnik beats Carlsen today, and Aronian <is> showing that he belongs in the championship conversation.

*fixed*

Jun-14-17
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  cormier: -0.31 31. Qf3 Kf7 32. Qd3 Qh5 33. Qf5+ Kg8 34. Qd5+ Kh7 35. Re6 Rxe6 36. Qxe6 g4 37. Re1 g3 38. Qh3 Qg6 39. Rf1 Qc2 40. fxg3 Bxd4+ 41. cxd4 Qxc4 42. gxf4 Qxd4+ 43. Kh1 Qxb2 44. Re1 Qg7 45. Qf3 Qg6 46. Kh2 Re8 47. Re2 Rf8 48. Re7+ Rf7 49. Rxf7+ Qxf7

Stockfish 8-CB 64 depth 23,

Jun-14-17
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  cormier: -0.76 31... g4 32. Rd1 Kh8 33. Re6 Rxe6 34. dxe6 g3 35. Qf3 Re8 36. Re1 Qh2+ 37. Kf1 Qh1+ 38. Ke2 Rxe6+ 39. Ne3 Qh4 40. fxg3 fxg3 41. Qf5 Re5 42. Qc8+ Kh7 43. Qxc7 Qf4 44. Kd3 Qxa4 45. Qc4 Qxc4+ 46. Kxc4 Kg6 47. Nc2 h5 48. Rxe5 Bxe5 49. Ne3 h4 50. Nd5 Kg5

Stockfish 8-CB 64 depth 23

Jun-14-17
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  cormier: -0.4 32. g3 Qh3 33. Qf1 Qxf1+ 34. Kxf1 Kf7 35. Re6 Rxe6 36. dxe6+ Kxe6 37. Nxa5 Rb8 38. Nc4 Kd5 39. Ne3+ Kc6 40. Nf5 Bf6 41. b4 h5 42. Rc1 Ra8 43. a5 h4 44. Kg1 Kb5 45. Kh2 Kc4 46. Ne3+ Kb3 47. gxh4

Stockfish 8-CB 64

Jun-14-17
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  cormier: -3.59 34. Re1 Rxf3 35. Rxg7+ Kxg7 36. Re7+ R3f7 37. Qe2 Rxe7 38. Qxe7+ Rf7 39. Qe2 Kf8 40. b3 Rf4 41. Ne3 g4 42. Qd2 Qh3+ 43. Kg1 g3 44. fxg3 Qxg3+ 45. Ng2 Rf3 46. b4 axb4 47. Qxh6+ Ke8 48. cxb4 Ra3 49. Qh5+ Kd8 50. Qh4+ Qxh4 51. Nxh4 Rxa4 52. Kg2 Rxb4 53. Nf5 Rf4 54. Ne3 -3.92 34. Nd2

Stockfish 8-CB 64 depth 23,

Jun-14-17
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  cormier: 12.25 42. Qf2 Qd3+ 43. Kg1 g3 44. Qa7 Qe2 45. Qxc7+ Re7 46. Qxe7+ Qxe7 47. Kg2 Qe3 48. Kh3 Qf2 49. b4 g2 50. bxa5 g1=N+ 51. Rxg1+ Qxg1 52. Kh4 Qe1+ 53. Kg4 Qe4+ 54. Kg3 Qxa4 55. Kg2 Qxa5 56. Kf2 Qc5+ 57. Ke1 Qxc3+ 58. Kd1

-12.54 42. b4 Kg6

-13.65 42. Rc1 Kg6 43. Qxe5 dxe5 44. Ke2 Qf3+ 45. Kd2 Qf4+ 46. Kc2 Qxc1+ 47. Kxc1 g3 48. Kc2 g2 49. b4 g1=Q 50. bxa5 Qg2+ 51. Kc1 Qxd5 52. a6 Qa5 53. Kb2 Qxa6 54. Ka3 h5

-13.7 42. b3 Kg6 43. Qxe5 dxe5 44. Ra2 Qxc3 45. Rf2 Qxb3 46. d6 Qd1+ 47. Kg2 Qxd6 48. Rb2 Qd5+ 49. Kh2 h5 50. Rg2 Qd4 51. Kh1 Qf4 52. Kg1 Qe3+ 53. Kh2 Qd3 54. Rg3 Qc4 55. Rg2 h4 Stockfish 8-CB 64 depth 22,

Jun-14-17  Jambow: Well I initially strugged to understand what made Aronians style special. As I looked over his wins he more than his peers had two apects that stood out. His pieces and pawns always get advanced positions in his opponents camp. He is always in fighting in your house not his. This would of course be true of won games at the elite level generally. only Aronian seems to do so even more regularly.

Second and somewhat related woe unto those who let this man get a passer. Aronian will beat you to death with a passed pawn.

Maybe I'm wrong I'm to lazy to gather statistics such as average position of his pieces at the end of the game and how many games are won via touchdowns, err sorry non Americans footballl fans, pawn promotions. That is just what I observe besides being one of the sharpest tactical players alive.

Good to see Aronian on fire again.

Jun-14-17  Eduardo Leon: <Jambow: His pieces and pawns always get advanced positions in his opponent's camp. He is always fighting in your house, not his.>

Indeed: Aronian vs Anand, 2007

Jun-14-17  Strelets: <Jambow> I think you're on to something. Tal used to play in a similar fashion too.
Jun-14-17
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Lads,

Sorry to pour cold water on the discovery of the century, but what player has won the majority of their games by never going into his opponents half of the board.

Aronian is good, very good and at times quite brilliant but he has not found a new way to win at chess.

Jun-15-17
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  Absentee: <Sally Simpson: Hi Lads,

Sorry to pour cold water on the discovery of the century, but what player has won the majority of their games by never going...>

...to the toilet?

Jun-15-17  Ulhumbrus: 6 a4 does not get a piece out. This suggests 6...d6

Instead of 6...a5, 6...a6 concedes less

11...Nh7?! frees the f pawn but also removes pressure from White's e4 pawn. This suggests 12 d4 before Black can play ...f5 and ...f4.

14...Ne7 attacks f5 but also removes pressure from d4. This suggests 15 d4.

Instead of 24 Qf3, 24 Rae1 develops the worst placed piece, the queen's rook.

Instead of 25 Rfe1, 25 Rae1 keeps the king's rook on f1.However 25 Rfe1 clears f1 for White's king shouls he need it. Perhaps White should avoid needing it.

Karjakin said himself that 28 Rg6? was a mistake and that 28 Qh3 was better and perhaps it is at this point that White passes the advantage to Black.

Jun-15-17  ndg2: @Jambow I think the biggest winning by pawn promotion / threat of pawn promotion guy is actually Kramnik ( as exemplified again in this round). Levon's style is hard to pin down, I just call it "romantic with good preparation" ;-)
Jun-15-17  Jambow: <Eduardo Leon> Perfect example and Aronianish to the core. Thanks for that game.

I'm not saying all top players do not end up in forward positions or that I discovered some new idea in chess. Mearly that as I pondered Aronians style as I stepped through his games I started to see that pattern more than most other players. There is a chess site that has those types of statistics, like % of sacs, what pieces are left on the board, winning with white vs black. Perhaps I will see how correct my intuition really is.

I will be curious to know who wins the most games by pawn promotion and where their major pieces end up. When someone has hard numbers I will be glad to observe them, but my guess is Aronian will way up the charts. <Sally Simpson> thanks again for mischaracterizing what I wrote yet again, that is what defines your style. ;0]

Jun-15-17  Jambow: <ndg2> Aronian also plays 1d4 but has a 1e4 tactical style. What ever he does when he is on it works...
Jun-15-17
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  PawnSac: < Jambow: <ndg2> Aronian also plays 1d4 but has a 1e4 tactical style. What ever he does when he is on it works... >

Isn't that the definition of "ON" ? Whatever he does works. If none of it works he's having an off day! lol

but I am in agreement.. this was a great game. It's a shame i couldn't be here live to watch it.

Jun-15-17
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Jambow,

Sorry mate but it was this bit:

"...woe unto those who let this man get a passer. Aronian will beat you to death with a passed pawn."

It's been known since the writings of Lolli (1698 - 1769) the strength of a passed pawn and all chess players (yes even you and me) have been winning games with one ever since.

But in all fairness you probably had games like this in mind.

Aronian vs Caruana, 2015

Even Lolli could not predict the artistry Aronian produced in that one.


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Instead of Winning the Queen with 31.Rg5 Aronian creates a passed pawn with 31.dxe6

Then nurses it home with a lovely final twist he must have seen quite a few moves before hand.

White to play.


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Jun-17-17
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  Richard Taylor: Aronian and Kramnik are two magnificent players and have played great games together. Aronian has an interesting psychological approach and perhaps a great intuition. He wasn't doing as well as he wanted last year but this is his tournament.

Carlsen is still probably the best player in the world but it is clear his task of staying there is difficult. But his great win of the lightening shows he is still on the ball.

In a very strong tournament with players such as VLG, Kramnik, Aronian and Anand, in fact all of them: then it is a great test.

Anand showed that he is not past it at all. He had a nice win over Caruana.

Some of the results are due to form. Carlsen and Giri were a bit off form.

Jun-19-17  Jambow: <t's been known since the writings of Lolli (1698 - 1769) the strength of a passed pawn and all chess players (yes even you and me) have been winning games with one ever since.>

Sure everybody knows passed pawns are a real threat. Aronian seems to work them better than most. Maybe not if you got numbers if not my gut says Aronian wins more games this way than the other elite... or most of them. Aronian didn't invent chess, but he has a style like every player.

Myself I play lines that go against theory and do well that way. Especially against the French defence and Sicilian.

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