|Jun-15-17|| ||Gregor Fenrir: Karjakin was thinking for 27 minutes before playing 41... ♗d6??|
|Jun-15-17|| ||Marmot PFL: Unless Karjakin said j'adoube at some point that's two straight games (86 moves) where he never touched his queen rook (both losses).|
|Jun-15-17|| ||Ulhumbrus: 13...cxd4 frees White's queen's bishop.
19...Nxc3 frees White's king's bishop.
26...Qa4 neglects Black's queen's rook
28 Nxg7 gains for two pieces not only a rook and pawn but also an unsafe Black king. Perhaps Karjakin would have been advised well to avoid the sacrifice.
|Jun-15-17|| ||luzhin: Well, I think it was forgiveable on move 41 to miss the move 44.Rxg8+!! with the idea 44...Qxg8 45.Qf6! Bc5 46.Rg4 Qh7 47.d6 winning. Note that after 43.Re4!! the trouble was that 43...Qxd5 loses to 44.Qf3! Actually, Karjakin set a little trap himself with 33...Qf6. If then 34.Rxe8+?? Rxe8 35.Qxf6 Re1 is mate!|
|Jun-15-17|| ||Reisswolf: A very well-played game by Carlsen. Only someone of a sublime mould of character and resilience could have struck back so forcefully after the negative developments of recent days.|
Carlsen deserves to be commended for continuing to fight, and "not [going] quietly into the night."
|Jun-15-17|| ||SirRuthless: A win's a win's a win; they don't all have to be elegant. |
I do wonder if the new Carlsen will be resorting to these tactics as a matter of course now or if hyper accurate Carlsen will ever be back...
|Jun-15-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Reisswolf>: <Only someone of a sublime mould of character and resilience could have struck back so forcefully after the negative developments of recent days.>|
It wasn't hard to predict that he'd be going all out for a win in his last White.
|Jun-15-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: 44...Qxg8 and I don't understand the problem for Black.|
I will work on it.
|Jun-15-17|| ||cormier: 0.00 41... Qg7 42. d6 Rd8 43. Ra2 Rxd6 44. Rxa7 Qg5 45. Ra8+ Ke7 46. Qe1+ Re6 47. Ra7+ Kd6 48. Qd1+ Qd5+ 49. Qxd5+ Nxd5 50. Rxf7 b5 51. Rf5 Kc6 52. Rh8 Ne7 53. Rf3 b4 54. h4 Kb5 55. Rb8+ Bb6 56. h5 Kc4 57. Rf4+ Kc3 58. Re8 Bc5 59. Rf3+ Kc4 60. Rf4+ Kc3|
Stockfish 8 depth 23
|Jun-15-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: 39....Qxh3 40. Rh4?? Qg3+ wins the rook, so the idea must have been 39...Qxh3 40. Qf5, threatening to win the Q with Rg8+. If 40...Qh6 41. Re6 Qc1+ 42. Kg2 and black is powerless to stop Qh7 and mate.|
|Jun-15-17|| ||cormier: 0.41 20. Rxc3 Rae8 21. Rcc1 f5 22. g3 a5 23. h4 a4 24. Bc2 b5 25. Qh5 Rf7 26. Re1 g6 27. Nxg6 hxg6 28. Qxg6+ Rg7 29. Bxf5 Rxg6 30. Bxd7 Rf8|
Stockfish 8 depth 19
|Jun-15-17|| ||cormier: 0.37 22. Re1 Kh8 23. g3 Rf8 24. Bc2 f5 25. Nf4 Re7 26. h4 Kg8 27. Rb1 Nb5 28. Nxd5 Nxc3 29. Nxe7+ Bxe7 30. Bb3+ Kh8 31. d5 Bb5 32. Bc2 Nxb1|
Stockfish 8 depth 20
|Jun-15-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <luzhin: Well, I think it was forgiveable on move 41 to miss the move 44.Rxg8+!! with the idea 44...Qxg8 45.Qf6! Bc5 46.Rg4 Qh7 47.d6 winning. Note that after 43.Re4!! the trouble was that 43...Qxd5 loses to 44.Qf3!>|
Hi Fred, this is your neighbor Barney Rubble! Could you please take a look at my Qf5 idea above, because you've obviously analyzed the position with a lot of the same themes and I think I might be missing something.
|Jun-15-17|| ||cormier: -0.2 25. Bxa4 Qxa4 26. Nf4 Rf6 27. Qg4 Qxa2 28. Bd4 Ne8 29. Re1 Qd2 30. Be3 Qb2 31. Rxc4 Qe5 32. g3 Qf5 33. Bd4 Qxg4 34. hxg4 b5 35. Rc6 Bb4 36. Ra1 Rd6 37. Rxa7 Rxa7 38. Bxa7 Rf6 39. Nh5 Rxc6|
Stockfish 8 depth 21
|Jun-15-17|| ||cormier: -0.85 25... Ne8 26. Bxa4 Qxa4 27. Re1 Qxa2 28. Ra1 Qb3 29. Re3 Qb4 30. Rae1 Qb5 31. Qe2 Qxd5 32. Rxe8+ Rxe8 33. Qxe8+ Bf8 34. Nf4 Qxd4 35. Nxg6 hxg6 36. Qb8 c3 37. Re8|
Stockfish 8 depth 21
|Jun-15-17|| ||cormier: -0.85 27... Ne8 28. Ng3 Bxg3 29. fxg3 Nd6 30. Be5 Qb4 31. Kh2 b5 32. Rf1 Rf8 33. Qe3 Qa5 34. g4 Qb6 35. Qxb6 axb6 36. a3 f5 37. gxf5 Rxf5 38. Rxf5 Nxf5 39. g3|
Stockfish 8 depth 22
|Jun-15-17|| ||HeMateMe: terrify chess! It's not every day you bag a scalp like Karjakin's.|
|Jun-16-17|| ||dynamica: May be after 22.Bc2....22......Pg6,
|Jun-16-17|| ||lentil: After 44 ... Qxg8 I see 45 Rg4 Qh7 46 Rh5 Qg6 47 Rh8+ wins the R/a8. [46 ... Qg7 is worse because B still plays Rh8+ and also wins the Black Queen.]|
|Jun-16-17|| ||Llera: lentil: <After 44 ... Qxg8 I see 45 Rg4 Qh7 46 Rh5 Qg6 47 Rh8+ wins the R/a8. [46 ... Qg7 is worse because B still plays Rh8+ and also wins the Black Queen.]> Much easier is: 44...Qxg8 45.Qf6 Bc5 46.Rg4 Qh7 47.d6 (with White advantage).|
|Jun-16-17|| ||keypusher: <ChessHigherCat: 39....Qxh3 40. Rh4?? Qg3+ wins the rook, so the idea must have been 39...Qxh3 40. Qf5, threatening to win the Q with Rg8+. If 40...Qh6 41. Re6 Qc1+ 42. Kg2 and black is powerless to stop Qh7 and mate.>|
You mean 38....Qxh3, I think. 39.Qf5 Qh6 40.Re6! is a nice idea! After 40....Qc1+ 41.Kg2 Qb2 White has 42.Rf4 Qg7 43.Qh5! with winning ideas of Rh6 or Rg6 depending on how Black defends (Stockfish).
|Jun-16-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <Keypusher> Thanks for the analysis and "sorry wrong number", you're right about 38...Qh3. I just figured the h3 pawn en prise had to be some kind of trap and the obvious 39. Rh4 didn't work.|
|Jun-17-17|| ||pawn33: kxg8.rg4.qxg4.hxg4. draw?|
|Jun-17-17|| ||sfm: <pawn33: kxg8.rg4.qxg4.hxg4. draw?> After looking a little at it I did not even find a good way to stop the d-pawn, so it does seem to win easily, even though it could look like a fighting chance at first glance.|