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Magnus Carlsen vs Wesley So
Your Next Move (Blitz) (2017), Leuven BEL, rd 9, Jul-01
Formation: Queen Pawn Game: London System (D02)  ·  1-0
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Jul-04-17  banspeedchess: Crabs has nothing to do with it...his classical ratings has tanked from 2880 to 2820...there are just too many promotion of speed chess....you dudes ever wonder why the rapid and blitz are all in one tournament....when classical, rapid and blitz are so different in skill set?...yet there is a World Championship for Rapid and a World Championship for Blitz?....and Gary who is considered the best ever in classical chess says Carlsen plays Blitz like he plays classic chess?....or are you all too dense to figure out how chess is becoming a business??
Jul-04-17  banspeedchess: Becoming a business at the expense of classical chess....oh yeah jmho...:) :) :)
Jul-04-17
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  keypusher: <banspeedchess> You need to troll <So> much better.
Jul-04-17
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <ChessHigherCat>--The reason I refer to crabs:

http://definitelyfilipino.com/blog/...

Jul-04-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Gregor Samsa Mendel> That's an interesting article but I've lived all over the world and I assure you that the Filipinos have no monopoly on petty envy. That's precisely what motivates all the scandal-mongering in Hollywood. People actually believe that they're justified in driving Britney Spears to the madhouse just because she makes more money than they do! They're just too shallow to understand the general misery of the human condition -- as Proust remarked, the world is a big hospital in which all the patients think they can be cured by switching beds!
Jul-04-17
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <ChessHigherCat>--It's no secret that the crab mentality is prevalent worldwide. But boy is it staggeringly obvious when so many sockpuppets here are devoted to yanking down Carlsen with their pinchy little claws.
Jul-04-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: <ChessHigherCat>--It's no secret that the crab mentality is prevalent worldwide. But boy is it staggeringly obvious when so many sockpuppets here are devoted to yanking down Carlsen with their pinchy little claws.>

That's true, poor Magnus has a terrible case of the crabs!

Jul-04-17
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  chancho: <ďDonít criticize what you donít understand, son. You never walked in that manís shoes.Ē

Ė Elvis Presley>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1O...

Jul-05-17  banspeedchess: What has crab mentality has to do with facts...hahaha....Carlsen has gone down from 2880 to 2820 and the reason being is he has been playing against super GMs the last 2 years specially in the GCT....and there is no doubt that speed chess is heavily being promoted...as if this is a big secret...and the only way to attract the new fans according to most is to promote speed chess where blunders = exciting...there's nothing to troll...these are all facts but I guess there are those who are in denial....funny how the WCC is decided by rapid and if a tie armageddon.....they should also include armageddon in the GTC...the tournaments should be rapid/blitz/armageddon.....gotta love it :)
Jul-05-17  banspeedchess: Anyhoo...this troll is done....
Jul-05-17  banspeedchess: Oh I see...the gallery think I am bringing Carlsen down? crab mentality!!...why because I am at the Carlsen-So page?

I guess the following statement is crab mentality

"Carlsen should really concentrate on his classical standard chess. He will eventually lose his #1 rating in classical chess because he plays it like speed chess."

Wow...DUH DUDES...it's trying to rally Carlsen to do better in classical chess...hmmm maybe I will start bashing him....

Jul-05-17  WorstPlayerEver: Leave Britney alone! Welluh..
Jul-05-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <WorstPlayerEver: Leave Britney alone! Welluh..> That's supposed to be funny because it's obviously okay to torture her since she's rich! That's precisely the myopic envy-based society I'm talking about.
Jul-05-17  The Boomerang: "A good example of this is he thinks he can con solid super GMs like So in that rapid game. With more time, So showed him who is boss. Yes, at blitz with less time, he will continue to dominate but when he loses his #1 rating in classical chess, let us see how he and the chess world reacts. Maybe, with all the promotions for speed chess, classical chess would be gone and the fawning over Carlsen blitz chess will continue."

You waited for So's first ever win over Carlsen to tell us that So is the boss?? Really? And who was the boss all those other losses to Carlsen?

Troll or not Carlsen will continue. Who knows what's the reason for his classical demise. I mean he averaged 2853 over 7 years but was playing blitz then too. So what kind of chess was he playing in classical then?

Jul-05-17  The Boomerang: "Yes he got away with that against decent GMs but now he is knocking heads with super GMs most of the time,†"

Come again?? Can you show examples over the last 7 years where Carlsen is knocking heads with regular gms compared to super gms? Id like a ratio please. thanks

Jul-05-17  The Boomerang: "Domination??...for all his domination in speed chess tournaments...he does not dominate in it's yearly CHAMPIONSHIP events...Karjakin is the current blitz champion and Ivanchuk is the current Rapid champion...."

Lol...didnt he score equal first in BOTH events?? Lost on soden...you are really retarded. Nice attempt to troll Carlsen though.

Jul-05-17  banspeedchess: The Boomerang...the only RETARDS are those who cannot accept for all these talk of DOMINATION... HE IS NOT THE RAPID OR BLITZ CHAMPION... maybe you have no clue what a RETARD is or what DOMINATION means...too freaking funny....
Jul-05-17  banspeedchess: To the BOO merang....did not wait for So to win his first against Carlsen....I was pointing out that more time for So to spank Carlsen at rapid...you are just too dense....unlike Carlsen strong chess intuition in blitz chess...but you got your head up someone's a z z
Jul-05-17  banspeedchess: Oh BTW...you should check when Magnus classical rating start to tank and when he joined the GCT...it is no secret in the chess world that Carlsen hardly prepares specially for openings....that is not working anymore...even Kramnik has mentioned that but of course you think the crabs are crawlings...
Jul-05-17
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  keypusher: <17 banspeedchess: Oh I see...the gallery think I am bringing Carlsen down? crab mentality!!...why because I am at the Carlsen-So page?>

No, sad little crab. Of course you can't bring Carlsen down. You're a sockpuppet on a fan site.

Of course your latest sockpuppet handle exists because you're a So-bot furious about Carlsen dominating the blitz, but it's not Wesley's fault that he has some pathetic fans. So you can't bring Wesley down either.

Jul-06-17
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  kingscrusher: banspeedchess: Like your nickname - you seem to think speed chess is inferior to classical.

Did you know the Russians thought at one point Fischer basically had no real talent for the game because he wasn't good at Speed chess?! Look who was good at Speed chess in the former USSR - Tal, Petrosian, Bronstein - yes all the dynamic greats of the game who had a REAL enthusiasm for the game unlike say Botvinnik who apparently didn't like Speed chess and said even:

'Yes, I have played a blitz game once. It was on a train, in 1929. ~ chess quote by Mikhail Botvinnik'

For me my conclusion is clear and has been for many years - if you want to find out the most naturally talented players - independent of the 'Nerds' who want to crunch and calculate all day, there is nothing like Speed chess. And far from lacking credibiklity- it has the credibility backed by the most dynamic aggressive world champions in the history of the game basically - including Kasparov who has even returned to play it.

Want to find out the really talented players on this population - Chessgames.com - organise an online 5 minute tournament at lichess - and you will find out the strongest most talented players. I love your nickname, because I am going to start hurling some facts and home truths your way about this form of the game which you seem to so deeply resent and yet is the indicator of true understanding of the game. I am not talking about bullet chess which is all about the clock - I am talking about 5 minute chess upwards.

Want to find the strongest naturally talented players in your local chess club - that's right - organise regular 5 minute tournaments and you will find out.

Cheers, K

Jul-06-17
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  kingscrusher: And another thing - guess what - Capablanca played moves very quickly - because guess what - he was also very naturally talented a the game, and didn't have to necessarily just crunch variations all the time.
Jul-06-17
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  kingscrusher: Fischer proved the former USSR wrong at the 1970 blitz championship:

Game Collection: Fischer's Blitz Games at Herceg Novi, 1970

And I bet he gained a new dimension of respect - that he wasn't just a position variations cruncher - but had a fantastic intuition for the game as well.

Want to see accurate games - go watch computer vs computer games.

Jul-06-17
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  perfidious: <bigstupidchode: The Boomerang...the only RETARDS are those who cannot accept for all these talk of DOMINATION... HE IS NOT THE RAPID OR BLITZ CHAMPION... maybe you have no clue what a RETARD is or what DOMINATION means...too freaking funny....>

Oh, it is only too obvious what a retard is--the proof is before our very eyes.

Jul-08-17
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  ChessHigherCat: A lot of people seem to make the totally unjustified assumption that it's necessary to make a choice between blitz or rapid or classical chess, but why can't we have all three?

BLITZ:
Pros:
- it's much more entertaining and less time-consuming to watch and a prime example of top performers being pushed to the limit (which most sports fans are interested in)

- it's much more "action-packed" for people who are into that sort of thing, and with all the stress and action can even be entertaining for those who know little or nothing about the game (which may seem trivial, granted, but not in the eyes of the media producers who foot the bill)

Cons:
- blitz has a bad reputation among people who've watched hustlers bullying their opponents (clients) by slamming down the pieces and shouting obnoxious trash talk when they get in a bad position, but that doesn't apply to tournaments

- from the standpoint of professional chessplayers, blitz does not provide reliable information about the optimal moves in a given position, but now that Stockfish is available for that, the argument seems less persuasive

- the majority of professional speed-chess players (hustlers) know a huge number of traps and uncommon openings that work against 99% of their opponents but are not effective against a pro who knows the refutations, but that doesn't apply to top-level tournaments, either.

CLASSICAL:

Pros:
- produces the vast majority of "beautiful" games that will amaze future generations.

- shows what the human mind is really capable of in terms of calculation and imagination.

Cons: requires a great deal of time and patience from spectators, especially non-experts.

RAPID: a good compromise between the two (which is no reason for eliminating blitz or classical, of course).

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