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Viswanathan Anand vs Magnus Carlsen
Sinquefield Cup (2017), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 3, Aug-04
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense (C78)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Aug-04-17
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  offramp: The only good square for the black king is a2.
Aug-04-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Right, that's why I think the pawn would be better on f4. But Fishstick recommends g4 hxg4 Kxg4 Ra1 (well, you can see for yourself)
Aug-04-17
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  ChessHigherCat: I think it's unfair for MC to take advantage of his youth to make us all die of old age or boredom.
Aug-04-17
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  WannaBe: Either Anand or Carlsen have made a draw offer?
Aug-04-17
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  offramp: Carlsen played 55...Ke8 so it looks like we are going to be treated to the full king walk to b8 and then down to b2.
Aug-04-17
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  An Englishman: Good Afternoon: And now Black has cut off his own King on the 8th rank. If this represents best play for him, the gap between his ability and mine is *much* more vast than I believed, and I already knew he was light years better.
Aug-04-17
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  Marmot PFL: If Carlsen had the game would be over, and Anand is in no position to offer a draw.
Aug-04-17
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  An Englishman: Good Afternoon: Checking out--too many errands to run. Have a good weekend, all.
Aug-04-17
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  Sneaky: Isn't this sort of a position very well known? I think I remember one of the old masters studying it in great detail.
Aug-04-17
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  offramp: Carlsen has changed tack and I think a draw might be agreed soon.
Aug-04-17
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  Pedro Fernandez: There is not c-pawn <ChessHigherCat>.
Aug-04-17
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  ChessHigherCat: I deleted that message as irrelevant but I meant this:

<offramp: Carlsen played 55...Ke8 so it looks like we are going to be treated to the full king walk to b8 and then down to b2.>

I don't see it. If the black king abandons the f6 pawn, then Rxf6 Ra1 Ra6 a2 and by the time the Black king get there white can advance his own pawn majority. Or is it is not so that it is thus?

Aug-04-17  BOSTER: The rule: don't rush. f3 gave white the tempo.
Aug-04-17  BOSTER: <Sneaky>.Averbach studing such ending.
Aug-04-17
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  Marmot PFL: All draws but some hard fought games.
Aug-04-17  JimNorCal: "I think it's unfair for MC to take advantage of his youth to make us all die of old age or boredom."

Heh.

Aug-04-17
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  SirRuthless: Carlsen of three years ago wins this easily. Today's Carlsen just can't do it anymore. He needs more help from his opponents to get results which will not keep him far and away #1. By end of World Cup Wesley or someone else will be #1.
Aug-04-17
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  beenthere240: BS -- winning a drawn game against Anand ain't gonna happen. Of course if he was playing a Patzer like (your bete noir here), he would have won easily.
Aug-04-17  Mirovsk: Carlsen is the reining champion because his "style" is to pursuit victory no matter what....And Wesley is playing the same, always to win...one must take risks and eventually you may fail...but in the whole, your playing is superior...it doesn't matter if black or white, they take control of the game...these guys, more and more they are playing like computers...As a counterpoint to this, in the first round Aronian played the most beautiful chess game the year, as if possessed by Morphy and Casablanca....
Aug-05-17
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  keypusher: Presumably 45....Rc6 is answered simply by 46.Rb6...did MC have anything better?
Aug-05-17  RookFile: I think this was a draw all the way.
Aug-05-17  Ulhumbrus: So Anand managed to draw the rook and pawn ending a pawn down. Not bad against Carlsen. Only the strongest players in the world have managed to do that.
Aug-05-17
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  ChessHigherCat: < Mirovsk: Carlsen is the reining champion because his "style" is to pursuit victory no matter what....And Wesley is playing the same, always to win...one must take risks and eventually you may fail...but in the whole, your playing is superior...it doesn't matter if black or white, they take control of the game...these guys, more and more they are playing like computers...As a counterpoint to this, in the first round Aronian played the most beautiful chess game the year, as if possessed by Morphy and Casablanca....>

Excellent post, the battle between pragmatism and esthetics. Of course, Aronian cares about winning, too, but the basic difference is that his game is beautiful and this one was incredibly boring.

Aug-05-17
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  jith1207: Is the game not boring and interesting only if computer evaluates as a win? In fact, computers evaluated this game as a win for Carlsen until the very end before Carlsen gave up that route. How would drawing a game that computers suggested as a loss any way be boring? To each his own, but if I think this game is boring, I would evaluate myself about how much I love Chess.
Aug-05-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <jith1207: Is the game not boring and interesting only if computer evaluates as a win?>

Does not compute. What are you trying to say? The whole point of Mirovsk's comment, which I support, is that always going for the win is the purely pragmatic approach, which may be effective but it is ultimately mechanical and boring unless you happen to make to be a pro and are only interested in winning. Since I am honestly unable to decipher your sentence, though, I can't confirm or deny it.

<In fact, computers evaluated this game as a win for Carlsen until the very end before Carlsen gave up that route. How would drawing a game that computers suggested as a loss any way be boring?>

Are you serious? Imagine two retarded people making idiotic but legal chess moves with an automatic Stockfish evaluation constantly updated based on the position. One of the players has an inferior position for 15 hours but finally manages to trade off all the pieces so it's a technical draw. How could that be anything but absolutely orgasmic!

<To each his own, but if I think this game is boring, I would evaluate myself about how much I love Chess.>

I'm sure that's profound but personally I think one has to be an idiot to argue about personal tastes. If I don't like long drawn-out unenventful, uninspired positional games I ask you to forgive me my little caprice.

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