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Oluwafemi Balogun vs Magnus Carlsen
World Cup (2017), Tbilisi GEO, rd 1, Sep-04
Zukertort Opening: Sicilian Invitation (A04)  ·  0-1
ANALYSIS [x]

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Sep-04-17
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  Tabanus: I suspect wrongs results happen when the kings are put on wrong squares afterwards. So that he organizer gets one result (from the game scores), which is usually correct, while we/the pgn gets another.
Sep-04-17  poka chess: why 1-0
Sep-04-17  Ulhumbrus: After 28 cxd4 the b4 pawn becomes isolated and a potential target. This suggests 28 Bxd4
Sep-04-17
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  Pedro Fernandez: What do you expect from a FM vs the WCC? C'mon there were 56 moves! Apart from that, Carlsen did play very well.
Sep-04-17  Imran Iskandar: Carlsen plays Dreev next. Lots of experience on Dreev's side
Sep-04-17
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  Gerareis: I think it would be better 38. ♗xb5+ axb5 39. ♕xa7+ ♗xa7 40. d5 ♗xd5 (If 40 ... ♗xf2 then 41. dxe6+ ♔xe6 42. ♔xf2 =) ♗xa7=
Sep-04-17
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  Absentee: <Imran Iskandar: Carlsen plays Dreev next. Lots of experience on Dreev's side>

Lots of Carlsen on Carlsen's side, though.

Sep-04-17
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  PawnSac: < Absentee: <Imran Iskandar: Carlsen plays Dreev next. Lots of experience on Dreev's side> Lots of Carlsen on Carlsen's side, though. >

Dreev is a fine player, but he dropped out of the 2700 club 5 years ago after a 6 month visit, and a 3 month'er 6 years earlier. He has the potential to be very dangerous, BUT he's swimming with the biggest sharks. I give Carlsen 12:1 odds

Sep-04-17
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  Richard Taylor: At move forty 40. Qa3 keeps White's advantage. After a few moves if Carlsen tries to go for repetition it gets worse for him as White can avoid it.
Sep-04-17
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  Richard Taylor: It's a pity that there were a lot of racist comments and attitudes shown by commentators watching this game and kibitzing.

Carlsen's play wasn't particularly good, his opponent avoided the B exchange which was wrong and also exchanging queens was an error. He did well considering who his opponent was.

Sep-04-17
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  keypusher: <Richard Taylor: It's a pity that there were a lot of racist comments and attitudes shown by commentators watching this game and kibitzing.>

What have you got in mind?

I wonder if anyone asked Carlsen afterwards if it was a smooth win....

Sep-04-17  KnightVBishop: Wasn't Dreev talking crap about Magnus in the past?
Sep-04-17
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  Petrosianic: <keypusher>: <What have you got in mind?>

In the first page of the thread, someone posted the Nigerian Scam (because Balogun is Nigerian). That's not really racist under any working definition in use (to be fair, it's not really funny either), but it feels just as good to denounce imaginary racism as the real thing. It's very Don Quixote-ish.

Sep-04-17
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  keypusher: <KnightVBishop: Wasn't Dreev talking crap about Magnus in the past?>

Yes. But Dreev talks crap about everyone.

<Petrosianic> Yes, I knew about that -- RT and I even talked about it, sort of. Given the use of plural and the reference to commentators, I thought there might be something more, perhaps in one of the online broadcasts.

Sep-04-17  Arconax: Racism raises its ugly head everywhere.
Sep-05-17
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  Richard Taylor: <keypusher><Petrosianic> I think there was an undercurrent. It is often hard to tell when satire morphs into the real thing. I felt also for the Nigerian as it is a huge country with a complex history which involves colonial depredations and so on as well as more recently civil wars. So I detected (felt) some things.

But I don't want to be too po-faced. I know these things can become either too precious or can be weapons for the White Supremacists who are everywhere these days. It is almost as if Capitalism is in a kind of crisis and a new kind of Nazism and also with it the phenomena of religious and other terrorism either by individuals or state organised.

<Arconax> make a witty comment. It is everywhere and I think we are all "complicit" in it in various ways. It is more complex perhaps these days given the general political situation.

But in certain situations these things don't matter as much. Online we cant see each other, our facial expressions and so on.

I think there is a kind of ratings discrimination also. Lol...for myself I am always more or less on the side of the underdog.

Sep-05-17
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  Richard Taylor: All that said I don't think that most chess organisers are biased per se and nor are most of the top chess players.

I am even slightly amused by Nigel Short (despite his sometimes silly ravings about women etc) the maverick ex-genius (ex?) who actually is a fan of Kiwiland...which is perhaps a worry...

Sep-05-17
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  Richard Taylor: Sorry to post again but above should be <Arconax> made a witty comment...
Sep-05-17
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  Richard Taylor: I was a bit grumpy to you Keypusher: so I apologise, I was a bit tired it was past midnight here.....(my excuse, but true enough);
Sep-05-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: <KvB>

Yes and no.

"...Carlsen, who prefers to wait for his opponent to make a mistake rather than try to outplay him as real chess players do."

http://whychess.com/ru/node/2220

It's exactly how Carlsen plays, true, but obviously Carlsen understands more about chess strategy than Dreev.

Because one has to be real good at strategy when they 'just can wait to the point where the opponent makes a mistake.'

It's some kind of a silly statement, when you think about it 😊

Sep-05-17  actinia: 42. Ke2, centralizing the king, is a real improvement. White can pursue a small advantage with quiet maneuvering... picture a white king on d3 and knight on b3. I feel that white lashed out to unbalance the position in a must-win situation. Of course it backfires.
Sep-05-17
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  Petrosianic: <I feel that white lashed out to unbalance the position in a must-win situation. Of course it backfires.> Do you think White was really thinking seriously about winning? For someone in his position it's quite possible that he'd have been satisfied with scoring off the World Champion at all with a draw (not to mention taking rating points off him). 39...Qc7 indicates that it was Black who was playing for a win. Why else would he try to alter the dynamic of the position by exchanging queens when nothing was happening with them on?

Remember, Carlsen is in the position of not only needing to advance, but to score as many 2-0 results as possible, just to protect his rating.

Sep-05-17  rogge: <Remember, Carlsen is in the position of not only needing to advance, but to score as many 2-0 results as possible, just to protect his rating.>

Against Balogun, that's true. Carlsen will face stronger opposition from now on, and 1.5-0.5 is "enough" against Dreev, for instance.

Sep-05-17
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  Petrosianic: Yeah, you might be right. I just tried to run the ratings, and it looks like Carlsen would gain 0.4 rating points for a 1- result against Dreev.

He'd be down 3.4 if he'd drawn yesterday against Bologan.

Sep-05-17  Everett: <But I don't want to be too po-faced. I know these things can become either too precious or can be weapons for the White Supremacists who are everywhere these days. >

No they're not, actually. 500 showed up in Carlottesville after months of planning. That's not a lot, and Boston further crushes that myth.

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