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|Sep-26-17|| ||PhilFeeley: This looks drawish, except white is more active. That has to count for something.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||offramp: Centralised rooks need second looks.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||keypusher: Black also could have played 22...Nxe5, right?|
|Sep-26-17|| ||keypusher: <offramp: Centralised rooks need second looks.>|
A pawn is a pawn is a pawn. -- G. Steinitz
|Sep-26-17|| ||afterCarlsin: much stress...|
|Sep-26-17|| ||vonKrolock: A drawing masterpiece with Nanking ink or khash with grechnaia kasha and chicken schmaltz ?!|
|Sep-26-17|| ||Toribio3: The outcome will be another draw?|
|Sep-26-17|| ||BOSTER: What is better to have much space or material( pawn)?|
|Sep-26-17|| ||Mateo: The Black King can come to e7 and then Black trades Rooks on the 'd' file. Black has good prospects for a win here.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||arieszodiac: Black is pawn even though the position is drwish black has the initiative. Take all the major pieces the blavk has always a move up|
|Sep-26-17|| ||optimal play: This is a win to black!
If Aronian lets Ding Dong escape with a draw he should be made to eat Chop Suey for a month!
|Sep-26-17|| ||Toribio3: Draw! Bishop is stronger than knight in this kind of endgame situation. The long range power of bishop is enough compensation for one pawn down.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||moronovich: Since white lost his e-pawn he has defended excellently IMO and has realistic drawingchances.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||afterCarlsin: Black wins (astrologer here)|
|Sep-26-17|| ||JimNorCal: Objectively still a draw, I bet. But with Black a pawn up and lines opening probabilities begin to favor one of two outcomes:
1) black makes an error and slips to an even position
2) white makes an error and and slips to a losing position|
I think Aronian had the edge in 3 of the 4 games. Ding has defended excellently.
|Sep-26-17|| ||BOSTER: Rook d4 is interesting.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||ughaibu: How can Aronian lose from here?|
|Sep-26-17|| ||JimNorCal: Stockfish likes NxB RxN Rxh5 with two pawn advantage but weak black pawns targeted by the white rooks.|
Aronian deep in calculation, burning time and coming closer to equal with Ding.
Ding had been down about 10 minutes.
|Sep-26-17|| ||Absentee: Draw agreed. Quite a satisfying game, nonetheless.|
|Sep-26-17|| ||whiteshark: 2 L8 4 me|
|Sep-26-17|| ||JimNorCal: Never too late for you, WS!
And we saved all the moves and all our thoughts so you could go over them :)
|Sep-26-17|| ||optimal play: Lev blew it!
Where did he go wrong?
Better is 44...Rxb5 but he was presumably worried about 45.Rexe6+ which looked more ominous than it was.
|Sep-27-17|| ||Ulhumbrus: <optimal play: Lev blew it!|
Where did he go wrong? > One answer is that whether Aronian blew it depends on whether Ding Liren had sufficient compensation for the pawn
7 Bxf6 concedes the bishop pair
One alternative to 28...Kf8 is 28...h5 preventing both h5 and Rg4
Instead of 30...Rg8, 30...Rd8 offers to return the pawn in return for a counter-attack eg 31 Rxd8 Rxd8 32 Rxg7 Rd1+ 33 Kh2 Ne4 34 f3 Nf6 depriving the white rook of mobility
|Sep-28-17|| ||optimal play: <Ulhumbrus> Some interesting observations which indicate Aronian may have missed a couple of opportunities even before his 44th move, but 44...Rxb5 was his last chance to win.|
Consider 44...Rxb5 45.Rexe6+ Kf7 46.Rxb6 Rb8 and there is a R+P ending with black's two connected pawns to white's one.
Okay, it still requires precise play, but there's a win there for black if he's good enough.
In any event, I would suggest Ding Liren did not have sufficient compensation for the pawn.
|Sep-28-17|| ||Arconax: <optimal play> It didn't seem like he had.|
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