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Magnus Carlsen vs Hikaru Nakamura
Isle of Man Open (2017), Douglas IMN, rd 9, Oct-01
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz Attack. Main Line Old Main Line (D37)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Oct-01-17  savagerules: I'm too lazy to look it up but I suspect none of the moves were original to the end. Top notch chess is becoming like checkers in some respect with all the memorized openings that sometimes fritter out to a quick draw. Of course Fischer-random is available which would avoid this.
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  cormier: 1) +0.16 (34 ply) 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bf4 O-O 7.e3 Nbd7 8.c5 Nh5 9.Bd3 Nxf4 10.exf4 c6 11.b4 b6 12.O-O a5 13.a3 Ba6 14.Bxa6 Rxa6 15.Qe2 b5 16.Rfe1 Nf6 17.Ne5 Qa8 18.Qb2 Qb7 19.g3 Ra7 20.Kg2 Rfa8 21.h3 axb4 22.axb4

2) +0.11 (34 ply) 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 Nbd7 7.c5 Nh5 8.Bd3 b6 9.b4 a5 10.a3 Nxf4 11.exf4 c6 12.O-O Ba6 13.g3 Bxd3 14.Qxd3 g6 15.Kg2 Bf6 16.Na4 b5 17.Nc3 Ra7 18.Na2 Qc7 19.bxa5 Rxa5 20.Nb4 Rfa8 21.Rh1 Bg7 22.h3 Qb7 23.Qe3 R5a7

3) +0.15 (33 ply) 5.a3 c6 6.e3 O-O 7.Bd3 Nbd7 8.O-O b6 9.cxd5 cxd5 10.b4 Bb7 11.Bb2 Bd6 12.Nb5 Bb8 13.h3 a6 14.Nc3 Bd6 15.Na4 Qe7 16.Ne5 a5 17.Nxd7 Nxd7 18.Bb5 axb4 19.axb4 Bxb4 20.Qd3 Nf6 21.Nxb6 Rxa1 22.Bxa1 h6 23.Bb2

analysis by Stockfish 8

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  cormier: 1) +0.54 (28 ply) 13.Qb1 Bf5 14.Bd3 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Ne4 16.Ncxe4 dxe4 17.Qxe4 Nb3 18.Qc2 Nxd2 19.Rxd2 Qa6 20.O-O Rac8 21.Rc1 f6 22.Bh4 Be7 23.Bg3 b5 24.c5 Rxc5 25.Qb3+ Kh8 26.Rxc5 Bxc5 27.h3 Qc6 28.Qd5 Qxd5 29.Rxd5 Rc8

2) =0.00 (27 ply) 13.Qc1 Bf5 14.Bxf6 Nc2+ 15.Ke2 Nd4+ 16.Ke1 Nc2+ 17.Ke2

analysis by Stockfish 8

Oct-01-17  Joseph Blackcape: <ewan14: Can black not play pawn d5 to d4 when the king moves to e2 ?>

I would then just play b4 and I'm sure the computer has an even better reply.

Yes, according to mine b4 leaves White with an advantage, but e4 is even better and Nce4 is winning on the spot leading to exchanges that leave White with a piece for a pawn.

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  ChemMac: I'm sure that indeed both players knew analysis, but then why did Carlsen not play at the end Qb1 rather than Qc1? This is scarcely a move that most players wouldn't find. Is there more to the position for Black? Stockfish isn't omniscient. Our conspiracy theorists will surely assume a pre-game agreement!

Still; a great tournament; confirming Carlsen as still having a small but significant superiority over his nearest competitors.

Oct-01-17  JonathanJ: <ChemMac> Probalby Carlsen knew the line to be a safe draw, which was all he needed to secure victory.
Oct-01-17  beenthere240: 18. c1 is obviously a grandmaster drawing variation. If they were tied for the lead, The variation would never have been played.
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  Richard Taylor: It was a pretty pathetic game overall it has to be admitted...was there some kind of deal struck between the two?
Oct-01-17  Olsonist: There was a deal. I was there. Carlsen said Like I'm totally the WC and I'm also playing white. You're like #10 on a good day. Yeah, you can try to win and but then you'll lose and also lose some cash money and rating points. So Naka said, Dude, homie, draw in 18 moves? Carlsen said, Deal.
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Richard,

Everyone in the know thought it would be a painless draw. I was hoping for a toe to toe slug but in reality I too expected a less than 30 move draw.

No need to meet up to discuss a deal it's a kind of an unwritten agreement in that situation and there is very little organisers can do about it.

But at least the game and an earlier comment from you had me this afternoon being reacquainted with Keene's bright book on the '78 match and this game.

Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978

Final position. Karpov (Black) to play.

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The arbiter came across to the board with a spare Queen for Korchnoi, (the game had been adjourned, there were no Queens on the table) Korchnoi asked for a Rook, Knight and Bishop as well.

Karpov resigned.

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  cro777: Magnus Carlsen: "I followed the advice of what Peter Heine Nielsen used to tell me. If you want to play for a draw, don’t leave anything to chance. Just force either a completely drawn ending or a perpetual."

In a Queen’s Gambit Declined (Magnus:"If he had wanted a worse position, he would have played the King’s Indian"), Carlsen chose the system with 5.f4. This system "offers many attractive variations for those who like boring play with a small, often disappearing, advantage but with no counter chances for the opponents" (GM Ruslan Shcherbakov).

The critical position:

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Black to play.

Here, the only move for Black to create counter-play is 13…Bf5 (the alternatives are clearly inferior), but this move leads to a forced draw.

Carlsen and Nakamura simply repeated the game Gozzoli – Gharamian which was played a month ago at the French championship:

What is more bizarre, Carlsen didn’t play 19.Ke2. Without this move it was not actually the third repetition of the position.

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  Sally Simpson: Hi Cro777,

"What is more bizarre, Carlsen didn’t play 19.Ke2. Without this move it was not actually the third repetition of the position."


Carlsen called an arbiter over to indicate he was going to play 19.Ke2 making it a genuine three fold rep.

Picture of the moment in question."

I say genuine because some may not be aware that although this position arose with White in check to play (obviously) 3 times.

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On moves 14...Nc2+ 16...Nc2+ and 18...Nc2+ and normally one as White can claim a three fold rep there is a slight hitch.

The position after 14...Nc2+ is slightly different from the other two.

After 14...Nc2+ the White King still has the right to castle. (he can play the silly 15.Qxc2 and maintain that right.)

After 15.Ke2 White has lost all castling rights so technically the position after 14...Nc2+ and 16...Nc2+ and 18...Nc2+ are not exactly the same.

I hope I'm not trying to teach my grandmother to sucks eggs here but some may not be aware of how three fold rep works.

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  Sally Simpson: Picture link given above may not worked at a later date - this one will...should....hopefully...

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  cro777: Otherwise the process is one of pedantry.

The final position:

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White to move

Mike Klein ( "This is not actually the third repetition of this position. noted this to Carlsen before the interview and he agreed and was aware. However, since Carlsen could write down and "announce" his intention to play 19. Ke2, that would be the third repetition. observed the scoresheets of both players, and neither wrote down 19. Ke2, but suffice to say the arbiters did not make them return to the board for this pedantic measure!"

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  cro777: The relevant rule in the FIDE laws of chess is 9.2:

"The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by sequential repetition of moves) is about to appear, if he <first writes his move on his scoresheet> and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move."

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  Sally Simpson: I'd love to see an arbiter say in that situation you cannot play 19.Ke2 here as that will be a draw and that is against the no draws till 30 move rule.

"You will have to play something else."

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Something else here being 19.Qxc2.

I think I'll become an arbiter just to do that.

"You must play 19.Qxc2....and don't you smile like that Nakamura, you look like a Gypsy."

That would be great. I think I've missed my vocation.

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  cro777: The Drawing Line.

As mentioned above, Carlsen followed the advice of his second Peter Heine Nielsen: "If you want to play for a draw, don’t leave anything to chance. Just force either a completely drawn ending or a perpetual."

Queen’s Gambit Declined: System with 5.f4, the line 5…0-0 6.e3 c5 (D37)

Position after 12…Nd4

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The main move here is 13…Qb1 followed by Bd3 in response to …Bf5, as occurred in Ding Liren vs Nakamura, 2017

13.Qc1 forces a draw by repetition after 13…Bf5 14.Bxf6 Nc2+

<Sally Simpson: ....and don't you smile like that Nakamura, you look like a Gypsy.>

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  Sally Simpson: Hi CRO777

I'd ban handshakes (spreads germs) and insist the players wear White and Black suits with cute dickybow ties.

No flags either, these will be replaced with a picture of me.

I'll sit in in the middle of the room on a high chair like the umpire has at tennis with a megaphone.


Oct-03-17  ViennaToTheMoon: This is probably my first post after browsing for over 6 months. Smiled a bit like Nakamura in that photo imagining Sally Simpson the center chair umpire. Clever humor as always.
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  Richard Taylor: <Sally Simpson> Points taken. I liked that match when it happened. Korchnoi-Karpov. I had just started to play chess again after quite a long break and it suddenly came onto local television in NZ and each Sunday I think it was I saw an annotation of the games. I recall seeing Korchnoi with his antics. At the time I liked Korchnoi and his style but I also like Karpov's games especially in his book 'Chess at the Top' covering his great wins (and some great attacking games some winning prizes) after he became the World Champion.

The match is interesting to play through. Keene covers it well.

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  Richard Taylor: I find playing over just about any players except those in the top 10 or so is far more interesting. Some fascinating games among the sodomites...

The top level games are or seem less lively...The lower rated players are more like me...I can understand some of their moves.

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  ajk68: <I'd love to see an arbiter say in that situation you cannot play 19.Ke2 here as that will be a draw and that is against the no draws till 30 move rule.

"You will have to play something else." >

I don't think a 30-move rule would force him to play something else. It would just mean they would repeat the same position until move 30 when the rules allow for a draw.

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  Sally Simpson: Hi ajk68:,


My arbiter rules, and I'm charge, would be if 30 moves have not been played (that was the rule at the Isle of Man) and you can avoid a three fold rep by any legal move (in this case Qxc2) then Carlsen would have to play Qxc2.

If they dared to argue I'd move them to a board right outside the gents toilets and make them play a new game.

Think I'll apply to become an arbiter,

How hard can it be? I know most the moves including that tricky French side a ways capture with a pawn and a machine does the draw.

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  cro777: An interesting psychological theme.

Magnus Carlsen: "The last round as white against Nakamura represented an interesting psychological theme. A draw would be sufficient to win outright, while Nakamura would probably not be tempted to take huge risks as 2nd or shared 2nd would be an acceptable result.

I tried to prepare mentally and chess-wise as usual, but the brain doesn’t really work that way. In principle I would have liked to use the white pieces to play a good game and try to win. Still, the thought "draw is fine" is constantly present, and <when he went for an opening where I could force a situation where he has to draw or play on in a significantly worse position>, I just went there.

He spent some time, maybe just to recalculate the variations, and a draw by repetition was reached."

Oct-23-17  Albion 1959: Up to move 12 this is the same as the 21st match game Korchnoi v Karpov 1978! Except instead of Korchnoi's Qb1 Carlsen played Qc1, which practically invites black to take a safe and easy draw after 16.Bxf6 Nc2+ etc. Nothing new here at all. This game does give Fischer's claim some credence that the top players are playing prearranged games, usually with the help of computers.
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