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Magnus Carlsen vs Yifan Hou
Tata Steel (2018), Jan-20
Queen's Gambit Declined: Exchange Variation (D35)  ·  1-0
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Jan-20-18  Great Bear: Yifan Hou gets beaten up in this Tournament.
Jan-20-18  Mirovsk: Fantastic play Carlsen, not moving his king out of the way of all the potential pins for 17 moves like "you're not going to bluff me honey I've seen all this stuff before. The exchange sac was great and the endgame was flawless. That said, Hou certainly had jetlag and Carlsen, on top of being Norwegian, is the greatest World Champion of all time, etc.
Jan-20-18  Boomie: <Theyíre better, thatís all.>

Of course, as indicated by the ratings. However, if you play through her games, you will find that at the end of the openings, she almost always has at least equality. That's what makes me think that her openings are good enough for this level.

To improve in the endgame, you have to love them. Back in the day, we spent numerous sleepless nights working through Fine's Basic Chess Endings. If Hou can't muster enthusiasm for the endgame, she should hang it up now.

Jan-20-18
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  morfishine: <ChessHigherCat> On your comment: <That's like saying that some marathon runner keeps up for the first 3 miles. So what? Besides a lack of stamina, it could also be that she has memorized millions of opening variants but doesn't have the same analytical abilities and/or positional sense and mastery of the game as her opponents (almost nobody does, after all)> This horrific conjectural statement deserves little comment, so here's a little: She's just not that good at the endgame

End of story, class dismissed

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Jan-20-18
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  john barleycorn: <Boomie: ... you will find that at the end of the openings, she almost always has at least equality. ...

To improve in the endgame,...>

Between opening and endgame the Gods have put the middlegame. According to Tarrasch.

Jan-20-18
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  WorstPlayerEver: Well, she wants to play chess with men. So be it.

And yes, usually when the endgame is there, a player is not so fresh. They have been struggling for a while, there are lots of unoccupied squares to put the pieces on: choices are based on routine. Considered that time is usually limited.

Endgames are tricky, once I had a Bishop for 3 pawns, and I thought I were winning. But when I studied the endgame after adjournment, I discovered I was totally lost. And I did.

However, at this level one might expect a vast knowledge of endgames such as 2P+N vs R. Otherwise it gets pretty ridiculous IMHO

I am not talking about Rook ends.

Jan-20-18
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  keypusher: <john barleycorn: <Boomie: ... you will find that at the end of the openings, she almost always has at least equality. ... To improve in the endgame,...>

Between opening and endgame the Gods have put the middlegame. According to Tarrasch.>

I didnít know you needed an authority for that assertion. Anyway, I looked up her games with Caruana. Heís beaten her six times in classical, all in the middlegame.

Jan-20-18
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  john barleycorn: <keypusher: ...

I didnít know you needed an authority for that assertion ...>

I did not need it, just playing safe in case <saffuna> will show up and request a source :-)

Jan-20-18
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  Marmot PFL: Hou must have been very tired to play 50...h5 when the rook is needed on the 8th rank to attack or pin the knight, check the king, or attack a passed pawn.
Jan-20-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <morfishine: End of story, class dismissed>

That kind of pompous "lesson" is a good example of why I dropped out of high-school (although I eventually got my PhD).

1) There is nothing wrong with answering a speculative question with a speculative answer, and

2) as Keypusher rightly points out, she has been outplayed at every stage of the game so claiming "that's she just not that good at the endgame" is hardly a satisfying explanation.

Jan-20-18
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  john barleycorn: < ChessHigherCat: <morfishine: End of story, class dismissed>

That kind of pompous "lesson" is a good example ...>

that's his style.

Jan-20-18
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  WorstPlayerEver: <keypusher>

So you won't agree that she has made mistakes in pawn ends which are not so hard to fathom?

Maybe it's me, but it must be pretty frustrating to lose in such way at that level.

Still I think it's a phenomenon. GMs blunder sometimes in end games, but usually it does not turn into a habit.

Jan-20-18
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  AylerKupp: <<Sacrificed pawn> Could anyone explain 'hasta la vista' in English?>

I think that the proper phrase is 'Hasta la vista, baby' first popularized, by Arnold Schwarzenegger in the film "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" in 1991. Before then it was used in the 1987 hit song "Looking for a New Love", by Jody Watley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looki...). .

A literal English translation of 'hasta la vista' (without the "baby" part) might be "until I see you (again)". But while this and other translations may be literally correct, I think that adding the "baby" part plus the circumstances under which it was said, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q73...), might more appropriately have an English colloquial translation as "So, long, sucker!".

Which, BTW (and I didn't know this) is the name of a board game invented in 1950 by John Forbes Nash, Mel Hausner, Lloyd S. Shapley and Martin Shubik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Lo...).

The things you learn by visiting <chessgames.com>!

Now, how do you say that in Hindi?

Jan-20-18
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  keypusher: <WPE>

<So you won't agree that she has made mistakes in pawn ends which are not so hard to fathom?>

No, I was disagreeing with <The weird thing is: Hou can simply keep up with this guys.. until the endgame.> That's not true. It's not even true against Carlsen, once I went back and looked again: the most recent two losses were lost in the ending, true, but the three before that were decided in the middlegame. Nor is it true in this tournament; she had endgame disasters against Carlsen and Giri, but I wouldn't describe the losses to Mamedyarov, Matlakov, and Svidler that way.

(Of course, she's having a bad tournament. Earlier performances at Tata: 2013, -2; 2015, -3; 2016, -3.)

As for the pawn endings, I assume you're referring to A Giri vs Yifan Hou, 2018 and Carlsen vs Yifan Hou, 2016. I kibitzed about the Carlsen game quite a lot back when it was played, mostly arguing against posts that made it sound like only a rank idiot could have lost as she did. It was much trickier ending than many realized.

The Giri ending seems worse to me than the Carlsen 2016 ending, though even there the variations after ...d4 don't seem quite as simple as they've been described by kibitzers. She also had much less time against Giri than she did in the game against Magnus.

But if I were her coach I'd be more worried that she lost the game on this page and the double-rook ending against Giri below than either of the pawn endings. Hard to believe Giri beat her from here:


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Yifan Hou vs A Giri, 2017

Bottom line; she needs to work on her endings. Don't we all! But there's a lot more than endings separating her from the top players.

Jan-21-18  lentil: Cro Magnus just clamped down on Mi Fan and she had no play at all for most of the game, and toward the end it was pointless play.
Jan-21-18
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  WorstPlayerEver: <keypusher>

Sorry, my bad, hmm well.. then she has to be more dedicated to chess.

Jan-21-18
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  morfishine: <ChessHigherCat> I apologize if I came on too strong. Interesting observation that one poster states she's been outplayed at every stage of the game. The majority of the opinions I've read is that she's been equal up to the endgame in most of her games. (I think in one of her games she blundered a simple draw away)

<john barleycorn> I LMAO when I read this pathetic comment: <...that's his style> The hypocrisy is incredible. For someone like yourself with no class, and thus no style, you are in no position to be commenting on style. You may remove your foot now

After that, do us all a favor and just stfu

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Jan-21-18
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  john barleycorn: <morfishine: ...

<john barleycorn> I LMAO when I read this pathetic comment: <...that's his style> The hypocrisy is incredible. For someone like yourself with no class, and thus no style, you are in no position to be commenting on style. You may remove your foot now

After that, do us all a favor and just stfu ...>

Another "pompous" comment by the one in the shoes of <Goldsby I>. No matter what the others say, <morfishine I> you are pure "genius".

Jan-21-18
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  ajk68: Carlsen is a master of endgame technique. He spent much time on his way up the ranks studying it. He forms long term strategies around winning in the endgame, inflicting what may seem like imperceptible weaknesses which magnify as the game reaches its conclusion. What makes him a great player is this combined ability.
Jan-21-18
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  ajk68: But this game is won on a blunder.
Jan-21-18
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  WannaBe: No!??! People blunder???? Wow.

=)))

Jan-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: If people didn't blunder there wouldn't be any people in the first place
Jan-26-18  anjumskhan: Carlsen had 3 pawn islands yet won. Rooks were needed along a and b files and not center.
Jan-26-18  CountryGirl: Wow. Carlsen's opening doesn't seem to gain any advantage. But then he spins gold from an exchange sac and his greater endgame space and control of b8. What a maestro.
Jan-26-18
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  Kapmigs: Maybe he gets advantages in the opening, only that because we are not as good as he is, we do not see what he sees.
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