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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018), London ENG, rd 4, Nov-13
English Opening: King's English. Four Knights Variation Fianchetto Lines (A29)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-13-18
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  OhioChessFan: Look at this position after 16...Qf6, and tell me what the odds are that Black will not play Qad8 at some point?


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Nov-13-18
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi Robyn Hode,

It was tripe. Knights off, Queens Off, shuffle - shuffle and an agreed draw before time control.

When the book comes out this will be one of the least played through games (let us hope for the author's sake there are not many more) and I'll write 'tripe' in the heading of it in my copy and never go through it.

I don't blame the players, you get games like this on these occasions.

My main point was people are wanting 24 game matches and if we go back to that games like this will be more frequent. No complaints about the other three.

There is always the ignore button if you want to be spared an opinion.

"Sally, when you can draw one game in 30 with either of these players..."

That hypothetical situation is unfair age wise. (I'm now well over the hill) and it is also insinuating I'd be happy with a draw. When I was young and hot I was never happy with any draw.

---

In a way I'm glad it happened, they should be even fresher for Thursday's game 5 Fabs last White for two games. This is a critical stage of the match, these next three games will be tasty.

***

Nov-13-18  Caleb554: Not counting the advantage the Carlsen has in Rapid and Blitz, Carlsen has two back to back games with White Pieces.

1-6 , It is alternating b/w Caruana and Carlsen as White and black.

7-12, It is alternating b/w Carlsen and Caruana as White and Black.

Carlsen has Game 6 and Game 7 with White Pieces.

If he draws game5, then we would have 2 more potentially comfortable games. That would put a lot of pressure on Caruana especially If he does not want the match to go to Tie-Breaks.

Nov-13-18
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  Penguincw: Video analysis of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx0....
Nov-14-18
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  zanzibar: The match is getting Shakespearean:

<b5 or not b5>, that is the question!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s_...

Come for the b5, stay for the (comments on the) video...

At the beginning of the entire clip Carlsen admits to "playing it safe", and notes the other WCC matches he's been have all started 2-2.

Nov-14-18  optimal play: How about the next question at 4:00 regarding the video supposedly showing Fab's openings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s_...

Fab: No comment

Magnus: I'll have a look at the video

LOL!

Nov-14-18  Albanius: The position after 7 O-O O-O is not in my 1993 Korchnoi Informator book on English A29. Both the version of Stockfish here and the version at chess24.com list 8 d3 as second best after different tricky knight moves to exploit the position of Bc5. Here it is
8 Nxd5 Qxd5
9 Ng5 Qd8
10 Nxh7 to meet Kxh7 with Qc2+,
but on chessgames.com it is the more typical
8 Nxe5 to meet 8..Nxe5 with 9 d4
Both end up with a slight edge for W, about +0.35
Nov-14-18  Caleb554: < Optimal Play: How about the next question at 4:00 regarding the video supposedly showing Fab's openings. >

I think there was a Petroff in there with a couple of Novelties in the training video.

Anand vs Caruana, 2018

He played Petroff and sacrificed a piece on Move 13 with Bishop G6 novelty with Dynamic Equality and lot of tactics.

Anand won the match Outplaying Fabi in the middle-game.If Caruana prepared Petroff, the Carlsen can switch his play accordingly.

Nov-14-18  Vladimir Zukhar: if gonna keep playing siclian, why not get b@@ls and play Smith-Morra gambit? lol!
Nov-14-18  Vladimir Zukhar: the still both need to read the Rook Endgame Human computer book on Rook Endings:

https://docslide.net/documents/vict...

See page 60 of pdf for the hardest Rook Ending in World Ch match history.

..I still cant figure it out..even with engine! LOL!!

scroll to bottom and put in "60" out of 99

Nov-14-18  Albion 1959: I wonder when Carlsen switch to playing 1:e4?
Nov-14-18  Ulhumbrus: One example of a possible meaning for the move 6...Bc5 is that whereas the move Bc4 may be suited well for playing for an advantage with White, when a tempo behind it may be suited well for playing to equalize with Black. That is to say it will serve Black well if he is playing to equalize and no more.

In the same spirit the move 11...Bd6! could well be one of the purposes of ...Bc5 if we assume that it is intended to equalize and not to try to gain an advantage.

If all this is so, it suggests that Caruana has prepared well again, his time against the English opening.

Nov-14-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <...why not get b@@ls...>

Are you referring to Baal, the Canaanite deity mentioned in the Bible as the primary god of the Phoenicians?

Dec-10-18
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  diceman: <The Kingfish: <Joshka>

I agree that the blitz playoff is silly too. Why not just flip a coin?>

Because a coin would be fair.

Dec-10-18  john barleycorn: <diceman: ... Because a coin would be fair. > exactly
Dec-10-18
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  ChessHigherCat: I don't find anything so terrible about blitz tiebreaks in general, but with Carlsen the outcome is determined in advance since he's the bullet champion and no one else comes close, except maybe Nakamura.
Dec-12-18  john barleycorn: <ChessHigherCat: ... and no one else comes close, except maybe Nakamura.>

Yeah, as we have seen so many times.

Dec-12-18
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  ChessHigherCat: < john barleycorn: <ChessHigherCat: ... and no one else comes close, except maybe Nakamura.> Yeah, as we have seen so many times.>

In terms of blitz scores. Try looking up the meaning of "comes close"

Dec-12-18
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  ChessHigherCat: According to Nakamura's bio page:

<Nakamura is one of the world's best rapid and blitz players, and the world's best bullet (one-minute) player. He regularly plays on the internet, usually at the ICC where he is the highest rated player (userid <Smallville>), and at Playchess, where he is known as <Star Wars>. He has set many rating records under different categories. >

That may be slightly outdated, but he's still got to be one of the best bullet/blitz players.

Dec-12-18  john barleycorn: <ChessHigherCat: < john barleycorn: <ChessHigherCat: ... and no one else comes close, except maybe Nakamura.> Yeah, as we have seen so many times.>

In terms of blitz scores. Try looking up the meaning of "comes close">

Try to read and eventually understand

<<and no one else comes close, except maybe Nakamura.> Yeah, as we have seen so many times.>>

Dec-12-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <Try to read and eventually understand>

I'll trying reading it to a psychologist, maybe he will be able to understand what you mean. Based on past experience, it will be nothing of interest anyway.

Dec-12-18  john barleycorn: <ChessHigherCat: <Try to read and eventually understand>

I'll trying reading it to a psychologist, ...>

yeah, get a good psychologist to help you with your problems ... and an English teacher

Dec-12-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <ChessHigherCat: <Try to read and eventually understand> I'll trying reading it to a psychologist, ...> <yeah, get a good psychologist to help you with your problems ... and an English teacher>

Sure, just give me your address, and I'll send them along. In the meantime, if any real English-speaker understands what he means, kindly enlighten us.

Dec-13-18  john barleycorn: <ChessHigherCat: ...

Sure, just give me your address, ...>

hahaha, cheap but true to your style.

Dec-13-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <jbc> Means a lot coming from the master of refinement. Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore, what a pest (in both English and German)!
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