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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018), London ENG, rd 6, Nov-16
Russian Game: Karklins-Martinovsky Variation (C42)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-16-18
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  MissScarlett: <Carlsen–Caruana, analysis after 67. Kg6

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Black mates in 64

PV: 67. … Bg5 68. Bc4 Bh4 69. Bd5 Ne2 70. Bf3 Ng1 71. Bg4 Kg8 72. Kh6 Be1 73. Kg6 Bc3 74. Kh6 Bd2+ 75. Kg6 Bg5 76. h6 Kh8 77. h7 Bh4 78. Kh6 Bf2 79. Kg6 Bd4 80. Kh6 Be3+ 81. Kg6 Bg5 82. Bh5 Nh3 83. Bg4 Nf4+ 84. Kf7 Kxh7 85. Bd1 Kh6 86. Kf8 Ng2 87. Kg8 Ne3 88. Bf3 Nxf5 89. Kf7 Ne3 90. Ke6 f5 91. Ke5 f4 92. Be2 Kg6 93. Ke4 Nc2 94. Kd3 Ne1+ 95. Ke4 Bh6 96. Bd1 Kg5 97. Be2 Kh4 98. Bd1 Kg3 99. Kd4 f3 100. Kc3 f2 101. Be2 Kg2 102. Kb2 f1=Q 103. Bg4 Qf2+ 104. Ka1 Qd4+ 105. Kb1 Qxg4 106. Ka1 Qe2 107. Kb1 Qa2+ 108. Kxa2 Kf3 109. Ka3 Ke4 110. Ka4 Kd5 111. Ka5 Be3 112. Kb4 Bd4 113. Ka4 Kc4 114. Ka5 Kc5 115. Ka6 Kc6 116. Ka5 Nc2 117. Ka4 Kc5 118. Ka5 Nb4 119. Ka4 Kc4 120. Ka5 Bg1 121. Ka4 Bb6 122. Ka3 Nd3 123. Ka4 Nb2+ 124. Ka3 Kc3 125. Ka2 Kc2 126. Ka1 Kb3 127. Kb1 Be3 128. Ka1 Nc4 129. Kb1 Na3+ 130. Ka1 Bd4#>

Nov-16-18
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  Richard Taylor: Another dull and trivial draw.
Nov-16-18  Raul Montanari: Surprising primacy of Black in ALL the games.
In one of the post mortem press conferences, maybe the second, Caruana was asked about this phenomenon and observed that this is a trend in contemporary chess. I think he was right.
Nov-16-18
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  vonKrolock: <Even Stockfish missed the win with Nf3.> Yes that was a sesse-win...
Nov-16-18
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  AylerKupp: <<OhioChessFan> FWIW, when the top 3 moves all eval the same, that's a strong indicator it's a draw.>

Well, it depends on what the eval is. If the top 3 moves are all, say, [-5.00] that would be a strong indicator that the position is NOT a draw.

Nov-16-18
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  vonKrolock: They don't play on Saturdays... like Reshevsky and Fischer?!
Nov-16-18
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  plang: When you play 5 Qe2 you are not trying for an advantage with White
Nov-16-18
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  MissScarlett: <Carlsen–Caruana, analysis after 67… Bg5

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Black mates in 30

PV: 68. Bc4 Bh4 69. Bd5 Ne2 70. Bf3 Ng1 71. Bg4 Kg8 72. Kh6 Bg3 73. Kg6 Be5 74. Kh6 Bf4+ 75. Kg6 Bg5 76. h6 Kh8 77. h7 Bh4 78. Kh6 Be1 79. Kg6 Bc3 80. Kh6 Bd2+ 81. Kg6 Bg5 82. Bh5 Nh3 83. Bg4 Nf4+ 84. Kf7 Kxh7 85. Bd1 Kh6 86. Kf8 Nd5 87. Kg8 Ne7+ 88. Kh8 Nxf5 89. Kg8 Ne3 90. Kf7 Nxd1 91. Ke6 f5 92. Kd5 f4 93. Kc4 f3 94. Kb3 f2 95. Ka2 f1=Q 96. Ka1 Qe2 97. Kb1 Qb2#>

Nov-16-18
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  AylerKupp: <<newzild> Even Stockfish missed the win with Nf3.>

At what point and by which player? Surely you don't think that Stockfish missed the win after 2.Nf3. ;-)

Nov-16-18
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  MissScarlett: <Carlsen–Caruana, analysis after 68. Bc4

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Black mates in 36

PV: 68. … Bh4 69. Bd5 Ne2 70. Bf3 Ng1 71. Bg4 Kg8 72. Kh6 Be1 73. Kg6 Bc3 74. Kh6 Bd2+ 75. Kg6 Bg5 76. h6 Kh8 77. h7 Bh4 78. Kh6 Bf2 79. Kg6 Bd4 80. Kh6 Be3+ 81. Kg6 Bg5 82. Bh5 Nh3 83. Bg4 Nf4+ 84. Kf7 Kxh7 85. Bd1 Kh6 86. Kf8 Bh4 87. Kf7 Kg5 88. Kg7 Kxf5 89. Kh6 Ke5 90. Kg7 f5 91. Kh6 Be1 92. Kg5 Nh3+ 93. Kh5 f4 94. Kg4 Ng1 95. Kg5 f3 96. Kg4 f2 97. Kg3 f1=Q+ 98. Kh2 Qh3+ 99. Kxg1 Bf2+ 100. Kxf2 Kf4 101. Ke1 Ke3 102. Be2 Qf5 103. Kd1 Qb1#>

Nov-16-18  CountryGirl: Hmmm... 5.Qe2 against the Petroff.... Way to maximise your winning chances as White.... NOT :)
Nov-16-18  jphamlore: Hopefully this game jars something in Carlsen and brings him back to full strength. I want to see Carlsen the predator not Carlsen the prey in these endgames.
Nov-16-18
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  Tabanus: Phew.
Nov-16-18
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  mistermac: Carlsen is amazing.
Nov-16-18  Relahara07: caruana can draw it
Nov-16-18
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  vonKrolock: Yes, during a few moments before the 70th move, there was a forced win ... Amazing!
Nov-16-18  Patzer27: I find it amusing that in the mate in 64 that MissScarlet posted above Stockfish actually misses a straightforward mate in 2 at move 107 which would have cut of more than 20 moves.
Nov-16-18
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  Appaz: I will wait a little before trusting that mate variation. It was interesting to see how Carlsen, when confronted with the variation by Ian Rogers, immediately recognized at which point in the game it occured.
Nov-16-18
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  MissScarlett: After 6 draws, there's still no rating change for the players on https://2700chess.com/ despite the rating difference between them. How many draws would be needed to make a 0.1 change?
Nov-16-18
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  rogge: Never a rating change with draw when the rating difference only is 3 points.
Nov-16-18
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  MissScarlett: That's daft. How many draws to bring them level? At this rate, several hundred.
Nov-16-18
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  rogge: Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018)
Nov-16-18  nok: <I will wait a little before trusting that mate variation.> I'm sure you will. Just as you claim your boy's giving an endgame lecture, it turns out he's lost. A bit embarrassing.
Nov-16-18
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  saffuna: Well, Caruana's TPR is several points better than Carlsen's so far.
Nov-16-18
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  Diademas: <MissScarlett: <Carlsen–Caruana, analysis after 67… Bg5 7766 current viewers
Black mates in 30

PV: 68. Bc4 Bh4 ...>>

<MissScarlett: <Carlsen–Caruana, analysis after 68. Bc4 6254 current viewers
Black mates in 36

PV: 68. … Bh4 69. Bd5 Ne2...>>

That makes no sense. Why would the expected mate go from 30 to 36 moves when the predicted move was played?

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