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|Apr-27-19|| ||chancho: Liv Tyler begging Magnus to stop beating up on poor Aronian:|
|Apr-27-19|| ||Eyal: Carlsen's post-game interview with Leko & Gustafsson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB8...|
|Apr-27-19|| ||Count Wedgemore: Thanks for posting that, <Eyal>.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||beenthere240: Fascinating interview. No real blunder, just Aronian disgusted with passive position. I can see why some people react adversely to Carlsen. Saying that itís relaxing and easy to play his regular clients and that his position was so good that he didnít really need to think hard about it is a bit insufferable. OTOH itís such a pleasure watching him play when heís really on, as he was today. Affecting humility would be even worse.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||chancho: Carlsen to Jan after the Meier game:
<"I was so tired and I couldn't calculate anymore, my play has deteriorated ..." >
Judging from today's game, being "tired" did not play a factor at all.
|Apr-27-19|| ||rogge: <Saying that itís relaxing and easy to play his regular clients and that his position was so good that he didnít really need to think hard about it is a bit insufferable>|
Well, I think he meant that it's easier to play against the "usual suspects", they know each others style and play very well. And consequently, harder to face players he doesn't play against very often.
|Apr-27-19|| ||beenthere240: I understand exactly what Carlsen said. If you canít imagine that some people would find that a bit smug then OK. Personally, I think he walks on water but I can understand what some people pray for him to lose.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||rogge: Yeah, I get that. Carlsen's probably too honest sometimes.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||beenthere240: What struck me in the interview was that Carlsen acknowledged that he would have been completely OK with swapping off the heavy pieces and centralizing his King to enter a tedious yet completely won end game. I think Aronian saw that and thought ďNo mas!Ē|
|Apr-27-19|| ||JustAnotherMaster: Member when Levon beat 14 year old kid in 3x tiebreaks and hacks like Speelman criticized MC during his endgame play? The years since were good times watching this man destroy Aronians great will and skill.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||perfidious: <keypusher...So, two immediate game-losers recommended by ulhumbrus today (see also move 17). Sounds about right.>|
<uluseless> has long since demonstrated supreme mastery of Reinfeldian logic, but shows the limitations of his knowledge once he steps away from the cloak of platitudes.
Nekkid as a jaybird, that there boy.
|Apr-27-19|| ||beenthere240: Not so - computer analysis shows that Carlsen made errors but Aronian made more. Wait a second. Have I said this before???|
|Apr-27-19|| ||parmetd: Just a pretty game. Btw I don't think Carlsen made any mistakes.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||beenthere240: Sure contraire- check with Ulhumbrus!|
|Apr-27-19|| ||csmath: Magnus definitely did not make any mistakes here but he did not get much in the opening either. But after 22 moves the position is already passive for black. The problem was most likely in 18. ... b6 which is the start of black getting inferior pawn structure.
This could be OK for some other player but not for Aronian so he should examine why did he get there. He duly proved that he has no patience to maneuver and in 10 moves later he was already lost.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||Eyal: Aronian basically committed suicide on moves 26-27 (f5-e4). He had a rather unpleasant position to defend, and instead of settling for passive defence (after e.g. 26...Rb7 it's far from obvious how White is going to break through) he tried to break free in the center and just ruined his position. In order to understand what happened here it might be almost more important to look at the clock times (according to https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-t... ) than at the position: 22...f6 - 8m59s; 23...Rc7 - 10m56s; 24...Nc5 - 13m34s; 25...Rd8 - 13m50s. Aronian apparently couldn't settle on a decent plan, found it increasingly hard to make moves, and was getting into time trouble.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||Eyal: As far as the opening goes, <10.Bd2!?> is an interesting novelty by Carlsen - the critical test is 10...Nxe4 11.Qg4, but understandably Aronian didn't want to go into that against a prepared opponent.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||cormier: |
click for larger view
Analysis by Houdini 4 d 24 dpa done
1. + / = (0.33): 26...Rb7 27.Bxc5 bxc5 28.Nb3 Rb4 29.Nxa5 Be8 30.Nb3 e4 31.fxe4 Qe5 32.Rac1 Bxa4 33.Kh1 Bxb3 34.Rxb3 Rxb3 35.Qxb3 Qxe4 36.Qb6 Rc8 37.h3 Qe3 38.Rd1 Qe2 39.Rg1 Qe5 40.Qa7 h5 41.Qa6 Rb8 42.Qc6 Qd4 43.Qe6+ Kh7 44.Qe2 Kg8 45.Rf1 h4 46.Rd1 Qe5 47.Qf2
2. + / = (0.40): 26...Qf8 27.Ra2 Rb8 28.Rb2 Rcc8 29.Rb5 h6 30.h3 h5 31.Bf2 Bf5 32.Nb3 Nd7 33.Qc1 Qd6 34.Qb2 Kf7 35.Nd2 Nc5 36.Qa3 Qf8 37.Nb3 Nd7 38.c5 bxc5 39.Nxc5 Nxc5 40.Rxb8 Rxb8 41.Qxc5 Qxc5 42.Rxc5 Rb1+ 43.Kh2 Rb2 44.Bg1 Bd7 45.Rxa5 Rd2 46.h4 Ke7 47.Bc5+
3. + / = (0.42): 26...h5 27.Ra2 Rb8 28.Rb2 Qf8 29.h3 Rcc8 30.Rb5 Bf5 31.Nb3 Nd7 32.Qb2 Qd6 33.Bf2 Kf7 34.Nd2 Nc5 35.Qa3 Qf8 36.Nb3 Nd7 37.c5 bxc5 38.Nxc5 Nxc5 39.Rxb8 Rxb8 40.Qxc5 Qxc5 41.Rxc5 Rb1+ 42.Kh2 Rb2 43.Bg1 Bd7 44.Rxa5 Rd2 45.h4 Ke7 46.Bc5+
4. + / = (0.42): 26...h6 27.Ra2 Rb8 28.Rb2 Qf8 29.h3 Rcc8 30.Rb5 h5 31.Bf2 Bf5 32.Nb3 Nd7 33.Qc1 Qd6 34.Qb2 Kf7 35.Nd2 Nc5 36.Qa3 Qf8 37.Nb3 Nd7 38.c5 bxc5 39.Nxc5 Nxc5 40.Rxb8 Rxb8 41.Qxc5 Qxc5 42.Rxc5 Rb1+ 43.Kh2 Rb2 44.Bg1 Bd7 45.Rxa5 Rd2 46.h4 Ke7 47.Bc5+
5. + / = (0.43): 26...Rcc8 27.Ra2 e4 28.Bxc5 bxc5 29.fxe4 Rb8 30.Rc1 Rb4 31.Re1 Re8 32.Qe3 Bf5 33.g3 Bg6 34.Ra3 Bf5 35.Raa1 Bd7 36.Reb1 Reb8 37.Rxb4
|Apr-27-19|| ||keypusher: <Saying that itís relaxing and easy to play his regular clients and that his position was so good that he didnít really need to think hard about it is a bit insufferable.>|
Luckily, he didn't say that.
|Apr-27-19|| ||OrangeTulip: About Carlsení s behaviour during an interview we can be surprised but we shouldnít.
Most of this top players are really autists, and Magnus is no execption.
Kasparov was a great exception.|
|Apr-27-19|| ||OrangeTulip: And my spelling is lousy|
|Apr-27-19|| ||parmetd: Really all of you commenting on his allegedly poor behavior... Have you even watched the press conference of these supposed slights?|
|Apr-28-19|| ||Ulhumbrus: 27...e4 advances the pawn to a white square and obstructs Black's bishop.|
Suppose that Black plays instead for the advance ...f4, advancing the pawn to a square opposite to that of his bishop and suppose further that Black is willing to be patient and to prepare his king side pawn advance ...f4 carefully.
Then perhaps it is Black who has the initiative and White who is on the defensive and simply has to wait.
This suggests that there were two reasons for the advance ...e4
One example of a reason was an oversight and that there was something which Aronian saw too late.
One example of an additional reason may have been indicated before by another kibitzer or commentator or by Carlsen or Aronian himself - unsteady nerves or loss of patience on the part of Aronian.
|Apr-28-19|| ||beenthere240: Keypusher is right. I attempted to paraphrase Carlsens comments, perhaps too glibly.
I suspect that the fact that Magnus is so clearly superior to his opponents right now that avoiding the appearance of arrogance is difficult. I donít think heís arrogant. He tried to make a little joke when he said that he ďinsincerelyĒ congratulated Giri on he tournament win. Doubtlessly some people were annoyed by this quip. I wasnít.|
|Apr-28-19|| ||Jambow: <Eyal: As far as the opening goes, <10.Bd2!?> is an interesting novelty by Carlsen>|
I would concur with the queen not waiting to be pinned it is somewhat of an unnatural move. Not incorrect simply something that wouldn't make it to a list of candidate moves even for the top players.
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