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Wesley So vs Magnus Carlsen
Norway Chess (2019), Stavanger NOR, rd 7, Jun-12
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation Chelyabinsk Variation (B33)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jun-12-19
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  whiteshark: <An Englishman> 17 games in Megabase 2019 after <15.h5>, but the Nunn game is the latest one there.
Jun-12-19
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  keypusher: Good for So, he remembered that there is a legal alternative to 7.Nd5.
Jun-12-19
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: Never heard of Megabase 2019 before; thanks for the reference, <whiteshark>.
Jun-12-19
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  perfidious: Indeed: this 'legal alternative' to 7.Nd5 was seemingly one of the foundation stones of Informators from the late 1970s into the eighties.
Jun-12-19
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  whiteshark: <18...Bxd5> is the new move in this position. (18...Qd7 was the choice of a sub 2000 player)
Jun-12-19  Ulhumbrus: 20 Bf1 takes a step towards Bc4 and keeps Black's rook out of b5
Jun-12-19
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  whiteshark: <An Englishman: Good Morning: Never heard of Megabase 2019 before;> Opps, that may not have been the most accurate term: https://shop.chessbase.com/en/produ... ;)
Jun-12-19  bamaexpert: Boy, they are rattling off moves like this is a rapid game. Preparatio, preparation!
Jun-12-19
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  whiteshark: Sesse analysis after <21 Rb6 <Score: +0.61>>

PV: 22. b3 Bh6 23. Bg4 Qc6 24. Rfd1 Qxd5 25. Rxd5 Ra8 26. Kg2 Bf8 27. Rad1 Kg7 28. Kf3 Be7 29. Ke3 Rc6 30. f4 exf4+ 31. gxf4 Rb8 32. Kf3 Rc7 33. Kg3 Rc6 34. Kg2 Rh8 35. Kf2 Ra8 36. Ra5 Bh4+ 37. Kg2 Be7 38. Bf3 Rac8 39. Kg3 Bd8 40. h6+ Kxh6 41. Rad5 Be7

3,139,065,607 nodes, 32,710,525 nodes/sec, depth 38 ply (47 selective), 2,874 Syzygy hits

Jun-12-19  bamaexpert: Hmm. Here's my prophecy (extrapolation): 1/2-1/2. Then, Carlsen draws the armageddon, getting his full point, for a 1.5 - .5 result. Just as the organizers with this weird point system planned for the home team. Hope I'm wrong.
Jun-12-19
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: Black plays as if he has full confidence in his Armageddon skills. Did 23.a4 give much of White's advantage?
Jun-12-19
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: Please change "give much" to "give away much." Sigh. Two big cups of caffeine and still making errors like that.
Jun-12-19  Nina Myers: So unambitious
Jun-12-19  Ulhumbrus: 33 Ra8 Kg7 34 Ra7 threatens 35 Be6
Jun-12-19
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: 33.Ra8,Re2; 34.f3,Kg7 (unnecessary; White threatens nothing); 35.Ra7,Kg8; 36.Ra8,Kg7 represents one way to reach a draw.
Jun-12-19  bamaexpert: If Ra8 black doesn't have to play Kg7. We've got opposite colored bishops here. Black could play Rb7 and be fine, but he doesn't have to do that either.
Jun-12-19  Ulhumbrus: Now it remains to be seen how So does in the Armageddon game
Jun-12-19
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: Could have turned into an interesting game, but at least the first half of my fearless, feckless and probably wrong prediction has come true. Have to run errands; hope all of you have a good day.
Jun-12-19
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  beenthere240: I wouldn't criticize So's play as unambitious. Carlsen accepted a passive, somewhat inferior position armed with the knowledge that there was no real scope for an attack. Perhaps So has prep for an Armageddon attack that will blow Carlsen's socks off. Perhaps the Grob!
Jun-12-19
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  beenthere240: I couldn't see the full Armageddon game -- could only see Anna and Judit talking about it with a tiny board. It looks like Carlsen blew him away in his standard style, with So forcing a draw by repetition.
Jun-12-19  bamaexpert: It amazes me how Carlsen relies on an opening like the Sveshnikov, which at one time (you have to be old like me to remember) it was dubious, according to theory at the time: playable, with chances, but the majority of the time, a loss for black. Carlsen and his seconds have obviously explored probably every conceivable continuation in the last couple years, coming up with some novelties (some of which he hasn't shown yet) with the aid of Alpha Zero-like programs. Don't know why, but makes me feel a little sad.
Jun-12-19
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  keypusher: <bamaexpert>

The way I heard it, Kramnik turned the Sveshnikov into a drawing machine back in the 1990s.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Jun-12-19  Ulhumbrus: <bamaexpert: It amazes me how Carlsen relies on an opening like the Sveshnikov, which at one time (you have to be old like me to remember) it was dubious, according to theory at the time: playable, with chances, but the majority of the time, a loss for black. Carlsen and his seconds have obviously explored probably every conceivable continuation in the last couple years, coming up with some novelties (some of which he hasn't shown yet) with the aid of Alpha Zero-like programs. Don't know why, but makes me feel a little sad.> Perhaps you have in mind games such as the following game which appeared in GM Keene's book on opening research: M Stean vs Sax, 1978
Jun-12-19  bamaexpert: Yes, something like that. Now 7.Nd5 Nd5 8.ed Nb8 seems to be the main line, as ridiculous as it looks (to me, anyway), although there are probably a few games in the database from the distant past using that continuation. Works for Carlsen. In my day, as it were, white mostly played 7.Bg5. But these days, with computer aid, players are coming up with more and more surprises. The game ain't dead yet!
Jun-12-19  SChesshevsky: <bamaexpert: It amazes me how Carlsen relies on an opening like the Sveshnikov...> It certainly seems that Carlsen has these positional type lines down to a draw. Maybe trying to get into some kind of tactical craziness is worth a shot, especially in fast controls. Thinking also if he tries to sidestep the complications, his counter play might be stunted. He then draws but maybe only in suffering with a distasteful position. But of course the risk is going down probably very ugly.

By tactical craziness, something like the old sac line:

Kaidanov vs Judit Polgar, 2010

S Shankland vs Shirov, 2016

T Abrahamyan vs M Buscar, 2018

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