|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 5 OF 5 ·
Later Kibitzing > |
| Jun-09-06 |
| Henrik S. Hansen: Please comment and give variations to this KIA game I played on ICC today. I am happy with my play up until 43. b5, which draws a winning position. I should have played Kc4 instead, I think. [Event "ICC 25 4"]
[White "henriksh"]
[Black "N.N."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "1513"]
[BlackElo "1629"]
(Moves in next post) |
 |
| Jun-09-06 |
| Henrik S. Hansen: 1. f3 d6 2. g3 f6 3. g2 e5 4. d3 g6 5. e4 g7 6. bd2 O-O 7. O-O c5 8. h3
c6 9. c3 b5 10. a3 e6 11. g5 d7 12. xe6 fxe6 13. g4 e7 14. f4 c4 15.
dxc4 bxc4 16. xc4 exf4 17. xf4 e5 18. g5 f6 19. xf6 xf6 20. g5 e6
21. e3 h5 22. d5 ab8 23. xf8+ xf8 24. f1 xf1+ 25. xf1 f7 26. c4
h8 27. g2 g7 28. g4 e7 29. xe7 xe7 30. e6 xe6 |
 |
| Jun-09-06 |
| Henrik S. Hansen: 31. xe6 g7 32. f3
f6 33. d5 g7 34. b4 e8 35. g4 c7 36. c4 h6 37. h4 g5 38. h5 e7 39.
e3 d7 40. a4 c6 41. d3 b6 42. f7 a5 43. b5 c5 44. c2 a8 45. b3 b6
46. c4 d4 47. d5 c5 48. c3 (Game drawn by mutual agreement) 1/2-1/2 |
 |
| Jun-09-06 |
| borisbadenoff: <Henrik S. Hansen: Please comment and give variations to this KIA game I played on ICC today. I am happy with my play up until 43. b5, which draws a winning position. I should have played Kc4 instead, I think.> Why not make just a single post instead of three? My first idea was 9. .. b5 seems a little overambitious and 10. a4 may help to overextend blacks-pawnstructure early on in the game. Then 11. .. Nd7 was clearly an error as you noticed by playing 12. Nxe6 fxe6 13. Qg4 sadly you go for the wrong side. As mentioned before the b5 was premature in my opinion and 13. Qb3 would have given you a sure extra pawn because of threat to b5 and e6 and black can't save 'em both Then black enters the weak pawn-exchange on the queen side where the zwischenzug exf4 Bxf4 and then a6 would have sufficed to hold blacks position. Then until move 26 a good game from you with some minor inaccuracies. On move 26 you missed 26. Bb5 Qf3 27. Qg4 Qxg4 28. hxg4 Nxg3 29. Bxc6 Nxe4 with clear advantage for you and the possible continuation Ne7+
On move 27 the same chances applies Bb5 with the same theme but without the Ne7+ continuation The last chance to win was probably as you said 45. Kc4 but even then only when played correctly. Interesting to me is that black didn't try 47. .. Ke3 which should lead to a win-position for black. 48. Kc3 Nxa4 49. Kb3 Nb6 50. Kc3 Kf4 51. Be6 Kxf4 Otherwise you probably shouldn't have exchangeg queens but play 30. Qc8+ and maybe find a way to break open some file |
 |
| Jun-09-06 |
| Henrik S. Hansen: Thanks for the comments, boris, very helpful. I will look over the game again. BTW, I had to make three posts, I was told that the post was too long!? |
 |
Jun-09-06
 |
| WannaBe: <Henrik S. Hansen> Yeah, when you use the figurine notation, it adds extra HTML codes. Because those are not text. But if you post the same PGN using plain text, it would fit into one post. (Plus, by using plain text, other people can copy the PGN and do their own analysis if they wish. I can't copy/paste the figurine notation into my chess engine. =) |
 |
| Jun-09-06 |
| Henrik S. Hansen: OK, I will from now on post just the plain text. Figurine is not so smart then after all. :) |
 |
| Apr-08-07 |
| bobdog64: Hi All
Ive just faced the KIA for the first time and wondered what is the best way to play against it - any recommendations? |
 |
| Apr-08-07 |
| nescio: <Ive just faced the KIA for the first time and wondered what is the best way to play against it - any recommendations?> An unanswerable question. As in all openings there are many good methods and it depends on your preferences and perhaps partly on the systems you play with black against 1.e4, 1.d4 and 1.c4. Personally I like to steer the game in the direction of the 1.e4 c5 and 1.c4 c5 systems like this:
J Rodriguez vs Taimanov, 1967
Here are some other ideas:
Sullivan vs Ivanchuk, 1986
Savon vs Spassky, 1961
Hug vs Spassky, 1973
G Barcza vs Ivkov, 1960
G Cerda vs W Arencibia, 2005
Bronstein vs Keres, 1957
Filip vs Petrosian, 1956 |
 |
Apr-08-07
 |
| gambitfan: I am also facing a King's Indian Attack right now, and for the second time with the same opponent from Turkey... http://www.playchess.de/games/HCL-E... Here is my first "King's Indian Attack" game: http://www.playchess.de/games/HCL-B... I created a special collection dedicated to KIA: Game Collection: KING'S INDIAN ATTACK I made use of the wonderful Opening Explorer which IMHO gives very correct answers to the KIA. Typical position reached: Opening Explorer 1. g3 d5 2. f3 f6 3. g2 c6 4. O-O g4 5. d3 bd7 6. bd2 e5 7. e4  click for larger viewBlack to play
In conclusion, I am not so much worried with the King's Indian Attack... Only an exceptionally brilliant player like Bobby Fischer or Garri Kasparov can afford to play this opening with reasonable winning chances... |
 |
| Apr-08-07 |
| nescio: <gambitfan: I am not so much worried with the King's Indian Attack... Only an exceptionally brilliant player like Bobby Fischer or Garri Kasparov can afford to play this opening with reasonable winning chances...> Against you? Apparently you are an awfully strong grandmaster. |
 |
| Apr-10-07 |
| justdig: I've played this a few times, and the first moves often go:
1 Nf3 d5 2 g3 Bg4
What would you suggest as a response to Bg4?
If the knight does get taken (say, 3 Bg2 Bxf3 4 Bxf3 ..), any suggestions on where to go from there? (I know there's a lot of choice) |
 |
Apr-11-07
 |
| gambitfan: <justdig> just have a look at the diagram below... it answers at least^partly to your question... |
 |
Apr-11-07
 |
| gambitfan: If you compare <King's Indian Attack> and <King's Indian Defence>, the first one is in my opinion weaker for the following reason. In KIA, the moves <g3> and < g2> are too early, which allows Black to answer <... d5>, then <... c6> and build a <strong pawn diagonal> in front of the fianchettoed Bishop. In the KID, White have already done <c4> and cannot oppose to the fianchettoed Bishop a strong pawn chain <b2 c3 d4>. In the KID the fianchettoed Bishop can exert stronger pressure towards the weak square <b2>. |
 |
May-13-07
 |
| suenteus po 147: Question for players of 1.Nf3, 1.c4, and 1.d4: Should I consider the King's Indian Attack as an addition to my fledgling opening repertoire? This question comes with context: Recently I played (and won) a game on the black side of a Catalan opening. Despite my win, however, I immediately saw the dynamic positional (and tactical!) chances the opening gave white. I began using the Catalan against equal or higher rated opponents and surprised myself by getting into winning positions time and again. After a few games, a few opponents tried a King's Indian Defense and I unwittingly found myself playing the King's Indian Fianchetto variation, but also still winning. It seems that the Nf3...g3 setup is working for me positionally in the opening. However, one should never let his repertoire become confined to one or two exact opening positions. Would these successes with the Catalan and the King's Indian Fianchetto for white make the King's Indian Attack a logical next step for my opening repertoire, or is it in opposition to the kinds of positions I get out of the previously mentioned openings? If the King's Indian Attack is not the way to go, could you suggest something that would work in a Catalan/KID Fianchetto like setup? I appreciate all input on this question. |
 |
| May-13-07 |
| nescio: <suenteus po 147> Your recent successes may not have anything to do with the way you set up your games. It's entirely possible that you are simply becoming a better player. 1.Nf3 and 2.g3 is a good choice and can lead to all kinds of positions, but if you want to know if it suits you, just play over quickly some games (50 or so) and see if you like them. I suggest you take out the repertoire explorer and look at the games of Barcza, Smyslov, Romanishin or Vaganian to name a few. But if it gives you confidence, why not stick with 1.d4, 2.c4 and 3.g3 for a while? In principle you can play a variation for a long time unless you become aware of a refutation or the continuous repetition makes you blind to the differences in nuance. |
 |
May-13-07
 |
| suenteus po 147: <nescio: It's entirely possible that you are simply becoming a better player.> Thanks, I certainly hope that is true with all the time I keep putting into this game! <1.Nf3 and 2.g3 is a good choice and can lead to all kinds of positions> Many players (both here and of course certain GMs) have said the same thing. I'm curious to know why you think that is (and what the benefit of "all kinds of positions" is). However, that's probably a theoretical discussion best left for later. <but if you want to know if it suits you, just play over quickly some games (50 or so) and see if you like them> I don't think I've ever heard this advice for sampling an opening before. I'm also curious as to your definition of 'like.' For instance, I 'like most of Petrosian's games, but I don't really understand many of them :) <I suggest you take out the repertoire explorer and look at the games of Barcza, Smyslov, Romanishin or Vaganian to name a few.> This sounds like instantly good advice. I'm becoming a devout follower of Smyslov's style and approach to play, and Vaganian is just too cool for school. Don't know much about Barcza or Romanishin, though. <In principle you can play a variation for a long time unless you become aware of a refutation or the continuous repetition makes you blind to the differences in nuance.> I guess I'm paranoid about the first potential drawback, and I'm guilty of the second in a couple of other openings of mine. However, it has been giving me confidence, so perhaps I should stick with it for now. Thanks for your detailed response! |
 |
| May-13-07 |
| nescio: <suenteus po 147> <<1.Nf3 and 2.g3 is a good choice and can lead to all kinds of positions> Many players (both here and of course certain GMs) have said the same thing. I'm curious to know why you think that is (and what the benefit of "all kinds of positions" is).> I meant that the position of the central pawns isn’t determined immediately. After 1.Nf3, 2.g3, 3.Bg2, 4.0-0 you can still choose between set-ups with i) d4, c4 and Nc3 ii) e4, d3, c3 and Nbd2, iii) c4, d3, Nc3 and e3 or even e4, iiii) c4, e3, b3 and Bb2 and possibly a few others. Which one you select will depend on your preference, your mood and on the opponent’s build-up. <<but if you want to know if it suits you, just play over quickly some games (50 or so) and see if you like them> I don't think I've ever heard this advice for sampling an opening before.> I don’t know any other way. If you want to know how to play a certain opening you’ll have to see how the game might develop, looking at various characteristics, such as which squares often become strong or weak, which side attacks where frequently, and so on. << I'm also curious as to your definition of 'like.' For instance, I 'like most of Petrosian's games, but I don't really understand many of them :)> I’m sorry, I have no other word. Some positions “feel good” and others don’t, even if the theoreticians give a different verdict. Petrosian is actually a good example. His games give me the impression that he didn’t care much about openings or middlegame theories and that he had his own highly individual ideas. That's why we often understand little of his moves at first glance. <<I suggest you take out the repertoire explorer and look at the games of Barcza, Smyslov, Romanishin or Vaganian to name a few.> This sounds like instantly good advice. I'm becoming a devout follower of Smyslov's style and approach to play, and Vaganian is just too cool for school. Don't know much about Barcza or Romanishin, though.> You seperated the two sentences which were in one paragraph. You can of course select the games of certain players to “sample” the opening. I mentioned these players specifically because they represent several different approaches. |
 |
| May-13-07 |
| diemjay: I just finished reading KIA: Starting Out, by John Emms. It is part of the Everyman Chess series. Great stuff. I'm a KIA convert and I intend to use it OTB as much as I can. Cheers |
 |
May-13-07
 |
| ganstaman: <<I suggest you take out the repertoire explorer and look at the games of Barcza, Smyslov, Romanishin or Vaganian to name a few.> This sounds like instantly good advice. I'm becoming a devout follower of Smyslov's style and approach to play, and Vaganian is just too cool for school. Don't know much about Barcza or Romanishin, though.> There is the Barcza System, right? Which is something that starts like this. I don't know precisely what it is, but if he got his name on it he must be good to look at. Aha! Gedeon Barcza
"The Opening 1. f3 d5 2.g3 known as the Barcza System is named after him." |
 |
| May-17-07 |
| diemjay: <gambitfan: 1. g3 d5 2. f3 f6 3. g2 c6 4. O-O g4 5. d3 bd7 6. bd2 e5 7. e4 In conclusion, I am not so much worried with the King's Indian Attack... Only an exceptionally brilliant player like Bobby Fischer or Garri Kasparov can afford to play this opening with reasonable winning chances...> I'm not a brilliant player. However, I do enjoy playing the KIA. I don't really feel that your 'example' opening is long enough to demonstrate the scope of KIA developement. There is tension just below the surface of this attack. So...watch out for the Loch Ness monster.
Cheers
|
 |
| Jan-07-09 |
| barrybackus: I am exploring the KIA. I find it really balanced for my level of play against most of black's openings. I had a question regarding middlegame development though. After you have your KIA set up...what is the best way for white to identify which side he should develop? What should I be looking for to advance on the Kingside? What about the Queenside? Any advice and sample PGNs would be very very appreciated. Thanks! |
 |
| Jul-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: I thought the King's Indian Attack wasn't initiated until white plays d2-d3 and e2-e4 |
 |
| Jul-05-09 |
| WhiteRook48: does anyone have an idea of how I should play as White after 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 Bf5 4 0-0 Nc6? what gets the advantage? |
 |
| Jul-06-09 |
| MaxxLange: <WhiteRook48> I don't see much advantage for White Black is refusing to play into a pure reversed KID by not playing ...c5. His move...Nc6 of course has the primitive threat of ...Nb4, which White can handle easily enough. 4...Nc6!? also avoids the standard kind of Lasker setup against the KIA or Reti, which would be 4...c6 (the "London System" is Black's anti-Reti reversed, actually) So, the road to fighting for an advantage may be to ask, what is wrong with Black blocking his c pawn? What kind of situation will make the Nc6 sort of useless, or make Black need to push his c-pawn but not be able to push it? At this point in the game, you are totally uncommitted, except to making a KID kingside with White. You need to move a center pawn pretty soon...what center configurations are good for the Nc6? avoid those! |
 |
 |
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 5 OF 5 ·
Later Kibitzing > |