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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: 12. Nf5?! is not the move to expect.
I am not saying white is much better, I just don't like the position for black. I might try it though. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Azaris, I'll look into this. Your comments are interesting. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | azaris: Let's have some moves then! The position is actually somewhat reminiscent of a Sveshnikov Sicilian (with queens traded) after e7-e5. Except that White has wasted time for the less useful f2-f3 and has yet to develop his king's knight. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Yes, it is. You might have something here. It is a position to investigate. I have to say I already wanted to abandon Qa5 approach completely. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Instead of 12. Nf5, one could expect 12. Nc2 with idea of knight going to e3. That seems better for white to me.
Of course in that respect if white allows d5 at any point I think you are right, black will equalize the game. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Here is a critical position:
12. Nc2 ... Be6
13. Bxf6 ... gxf6
14. Ne3 ... Nd7
15. Kf2 ... h5
16. b3 ... Rc8
17. c4 ... Bh6
18. Rd1 ... Ke7
19. Bd3
Black has opportunity for some countergame, not so sure what exacly to do here. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Rg8 leads to white's advantage. Rb8 with b5 leads to small but persistent white's advantage. I do not see anything else better. Somebody? |
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| Aug-17-05 | | azaris: Bh6 can be played already on move 14:
14...Bh6 15. Nc4 Ke7 (15...O-O!? 16. Nxd6 Rd8 17. Nxb7 Rd2 18. b3 Nd7 looks interesting) 16. Nb6 Ra7 17. Nd5+ Bxd5 18. exd5 b5 and White has more space but Black looks pretty solid. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Well, going back to my previous "critical position." I think I have a countergame this way:
19. ...Nc5!
20. Ne2 ... h4
21. Nf5 ... Bxf5 (bye-bye bishop pair)
22. exf5 ... d5!
23. cxd5 ... Nxd3
24. Rxd3 ... Rc2
Black has achieved a countergame and I think this is even now, more importantly black is active (I hate to play passive defensive positions). |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Possible continuation would be (by no means the best play neccessary): 25. Rhd1 ... Rhc8
26. d6 ... Kd7
27. Kf1 ... h3!
28. gh3 ... Rxa2
29. Rc3 ... Ra3!
and black is actually better. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | csmath: Nevertheless in this Qa5 variation I think a stronger move to play for white is 6. d5 rather than 6. Nd2. I find it very cumbersome for black. Any equality comes after a long battle. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | csmath: And here is the game I just lost to a dual processor power computer. It has been a long time since I lost a game but this is interesting one, I tried again foolish countergame against Trompowski though I alredy knew it is no good. I just simply forgot I already played the variation and barely survived, this time around the same opponent spanked me nicely: [Event "ICC 25 30"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2005.08.18"]
[Round "-"]
[White "olorin"]
[Black "CSMath"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2807"]
[BlackElo "2899"]
[Opening "Trompowsky attack (Ruth, Opocenský opening)"]
[ECO "A45"]
[NIC "QP.07"]
[Time "01:05:35"]
[TimeControl "1500+30"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 3. Bf4 c5 4. f3 Nf6 5. dxc5! (proper response and the most dangerous one) ...e5?!
I think this move is just not good, no matter what, I just cannot make anything out of position that follows 6. Bxe5 Bxc5 7. Nc3 Qb6
8. Nh3 O-O 9. Bxf6 Qxf6 10. Qd2 d5 11. O-O-O Bb4 12. a3 Ba5 13. Qd3! Now it becomes obvious the countergame is just a mirage, black will have to fight for his life. ... d4 (I know it is not looking good but what else?) 14.Qxd4 Qxd4 15. Rxd4 Bxc3 16. bxc3 Nc6 17. Rd6 Bxh3 18. gxh3 Rac8 19. e3 Na5
20. Rd5 Nc4 21. Rd7 Na5 22. Kd2 Rc5 23. Rg1 Rfc8 24. Bd3 Rxc3 25. Rg5 Rxa3
26. Rc5 Rf8 27. Ke2 Ra1 28. Be4 Nc6 29. Rxb7 Nd8 30. Re7 Ne6 31. Rd5 g6 32.
f4 Rc8 33. Rd2 Ra2 34. h4 a5 35. f5 gxf5 36. Bxf5 Rc6 37. Rdd7 Nf8 38. Ra7
Rf6 39. Bd3 Ng6 40. Re8+ Kg7 41. h5 Nh4 42. e4 Nf3 43. e5 Ng1+ 44. Ke3 Rf3+
45. Kd4 Nh3 (no hope, black resigns) 1-0
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| Aug-19-05 | | csmath: Here is another game between Shredder and Crafty won by Crafty. Interesting how Shredder disregarded the weakness of central pawn and how Crafty easily took it: [Event "ICC 15 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2005.08.19"]
[Round "-"]
[White "olorin"]
[Black "FastFun"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2793"]
[BlackElo "2598"]
[Opening "Trompowsky attack (Ruth, Opocenský opening)"]
[ECO "A45"]
[NIC "QP.07"]
[Time "16:27:57"]
[TimeControl "900+0"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. e4 h6 4. Bxf6 Qxf6 5. c3 d6 6. Bd3 g6 7. Nf3 Bg7 8.
e5 dxe5 9. dxe5 Qe7 10. O-O O-O 11. Nbd2 Nc6 12. Qe2 Rd8 13. Rad1 a6 14. Qe4
a5 15. Bc2 Rd5 16. Nc4 Qc5 17. Qf4 a4 18. a3 Bd7 19. Rc1 Nxe5 20. Ncxe5 Bxe5
21. Nxe5 Rxe5 22. Qxh6 Bc6 23. Qf4 Qd5 24. Qg3 Rg5 25. Be4 Qd8 26. Qf4 Bxe4
27. Qxe4 Rd5 28. c4 Rd2 29. Rc3 Rxb2 30. Rd3 Qf6 31. Rf3 Qe7 32. Rd3 Rd8 33.
Rd5 c6 34. Rxd8+ Qxd8 35. c5 Qd5 36. Qxa4 Qxc5 37. h3 Kg7 38. Qd1 Qd5 39.
Qe1 Qd4 40. Qa5 c5 41. Qa7 e5 42. Qb8 c4 43. Kh2 c3 44. Qc7 c2 45. Rg1 Qe4
46. f3 Qf4+ 47. Kh1 Qe3 48. Kh2 Rb1 49. Qxc2 Rxg1 50. Qe4 Qxe4 51. fxe4 Re1
52. a4 Rxe4 53. Kg1 Rxa4 54. Kf2 f5 55. g3 Ra2+ 56. Kf3 e4+ 57. Ke3 Kh6 58.
h4 Kh5 59. Kd4 White resigns 0-1 |
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| Sep-06-05 | | Averageguy: The following is a neat trap in the trompowsky: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.h4 Nxg5 4.hxg5 c5 5.Qd3 cxd4 6.g6 fxg6 7.Rxh7 and wins, because if 7...Rxh7 then 8.Qxg6# |
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| Sep-06-05 | | Averageguy: The Trompowsky was a brillian rediscovery by Julian Hodgson, because it makes the game offbeat and tactical. The main problem is that now theory is begginning to get involved in the Tromp.(sigh) |
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Nov-24-05
 | | notyetagm: Could someone please post a link to some games in the new gambit line 1 d4  f6 2  g5 e4 3 f4 c5 4 f3  a5+ 5 c3 f6 6 d5 b6 7 e4!? ? I am not a paying member here and cannot get this far into the Opening Explorer.Also, some super-GM has lost to this gambit. Anyone know who that is? Thanks. |
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Nov-24-05
 | | refutor: no games in the opening explorer have the 7.e4 move
from chesslive.de there are a couple games...the game you mean is likely [Event "RUS-chT"]
[Site "Sochi"]
[Date "2005.04.19"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Chernyshov,Konstantin"]
[Black "Grischuk,Alexander"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A45"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6 7.e4 Qxb2 8.Nd2 Qxc3
9.Bc7 g6 10.Rc1 Qe3+ 11.Ne2 Na6 12.Nc4 Qh6 13.Bf4 Qg7 14.Qa4 g5 15.Be5 g4 16.f4 Qg6 17.Ng3 Rg8 18.Ne3 Nb4 19.a3 Nc6 20.dxc6 dxc6 21.Be2 Nd7 22.0-0 Nxe5 23.fxe5 Bh6 24.Qb3 Be6 25.Qc3 b6 26.Rcd1 Bxe3+ 27.Qxe3 Qg5 28.Qc3 Rd8 29.Nf5 h5 30.a4 h4 31.a5 Rxd1 32.Rxd1 Bxf5 33.Qd3 Kf8 34.exf5 Qf4 35.Qd8+ Kg7 36.Qxe7 Qxf5 37.Qxh4 Re8 38.Rf1 Qxe5 39.Qxg4+ Kf8 40.Bc4 Re7 41.Rf4 Qe1+ 42.Bf1 Qe5 43.g3 Re6 44.Qh4 b5 45.Qd8+ Kg7 46.Qd7 Rf6 47.Rg4+ Kh6 48.Qd2+ Kh7 49.Bd3+ Kh8 50.Re4 Qd5 51.Qc3 Qd6 52.Rf4 Kg7 53.Kf2 c4 54.Be4 c5 55.Ke3 Qd4+ 56.Qxd4 cxd4+ 57.Kxd4 Ra6 58.Bd5 f6 59.Rg4+ Kh8 60.Kc5 Rxa5 61.Kb4 Ra1 62.Kxb5 c3 63.Rc4 Rc1 64.Kb4 Rc2 65.h4 a5+ 66.Kb3 1-0 |
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Nov-24-05
| | notyetagm: thanks |
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| Dec-15-05 | | who: Has anyone ever played 1.d4 Nf6 2.d5?! It seems like a good way to get out of book and after things like 2...c5 3.c5 e6 4.Nc3 white can presumably hamper black's development. |
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Dec-15-05
 | | KingG: <who> Wouldn't 1.d4 Nf6 2.d5 c5 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 be the Benoni? |
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Dec-15-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <KingG> You are absolutely correct. The only thing an early d5 is good for is an Anti-Gruenfeld strategy, and there it is most often seen via 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.d5!? |
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| Dec-16-05 | | who: It also stops the nimzo-indian - doesn't it? And my understanding is that at the top level the nimzo-indian is considered one of black's best defenses. |
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| Dec-16-05 | | who: In other words, if black wants to play a book line they're left with the kings indian or old indian. That seems like quite an accomplishment. |
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| Dec-18-05 | | who: and of course it prevents transposition into a regular QGD with ...e6, ...d5 or ...c6, ...d5 |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Dudley: 1.d4 Nf6 2. d5 seems like a waste of time. Moving the same piece or pawn is a violation of opening principles. It may prevent a certain defense but allowi another one with greater effectiveness than usual. White's prematurely advance pawn can be attacked with c6 or e6, unlike the Benonni proper when it can only be attacked with e6. |
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