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Oct-23-06
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| refutor: lots of GMs play the benoni that way...consistency has nothing to do with it... D Semcesen vs DeFirmian, 2006
D Zoler vs Gelfand, 2006
C Weiss vs T L Petrosian, 2006
Ra Mateo vs I Rogers, 2006
A Korotylev vs Akopian, 2006
P H Nielsen vs Nisipeanu, 2006
V Cmilyte vs Lahno, 2006
M Brodsky vs A Volokitin, 2006
Kiril Georgiev vs Nisipeanu, 2006
Bologan vs Nisipeanu, 2006
Koneru vs I Cheparinov, 2006
Kurajica vs Nisipeanu, 2006
Y Shulman vs Shabalov, 2006
P H Nielsen vs Topalov, 2006
obviously these are not all wins for Black, but it's a popular move order up to the super GM level |
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Oct-23-06
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| ganstaman: <refutor> I've never questioned that it's been done and continues to be done. I even think chesspublishing.com has a nimzo/benoni forum (same group of people play them, then). But re-read soughzin's and my posts. We only wonder why it's done, not if it's done. The main point is that if black wants a Benoni but not the Taimanov, he can go with the Hromadka System, unless that is as flawed as euripides read it is. Perhaps consistency isn't really worth much? |
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Oct-23-06
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| refutor: IMHO, it's done because the nimzo is strong v. 3.Nc3 and the taimanov is strong v. the benoni...hence playing 3.Nc3 Bb4 and 3.Nf3 c5 kills two birds |
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Oct-23-06
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| AgentRgent: <refutor: IMHO, it's done because the nimzo is strong v. 3.Nc3 and the taimanov is strong v. the benoni...hence playing 3.Nc3 Bb4 and 3.Nf3 c5 kills two birds> Nail hit on head! Film at 11! |
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| Oct-24-06 |
| soughzin: I suppose for the big time GMS having multiple defenses is doable(although I still see more QIDs than benoni's,and it "feels" more like a nimzo) but for the club player I just don't see the point in the nimzo/benoni combo unless to add variety or fun into your openings. Not that it's silly or unsound or something, just not what I would personally play. Maybe a benoni-er will desperately want to play the benoni but dreads the taimanov so he/she Must play something else to Nc3. Or maybe someone Hates the QID,likes the benoni,and Loves the nimzo(not likely). Now IF one can play the Hromadka variation with no move order setback it you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone with the benoni instead of two and you always have the nimzo/QID option which is say 1.5 stones heh. Perhaps we should try to delve into the Hromadka a little and see how well black can really avoid the taimanov without adverse side affects. I'm sure a few of you out there could educate me as I'm a little green on the benoni but I'm interested on both white and black sides. |
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| Oct-25-06 |
| soughzin: Ok here's my own feeble attempts at avoiding the Taimanov.
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 g6 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 e6! (It seemed that the longer black delayed e6 the more potent dxe became) Now with 6.Nf3 exd5 7.cxd5 we're back to the mainlines with no Taimanov. White also has the option of 7.exd5 and Nxd5 but I'm not sure how to evaluate these. There are no immediate tactical problems but it's beyond me to know if they're positionally suspect. White can try 6.f4 hoping for the Taimanov but black can play 6...Bg7 (7dxe doesn't look as strong as in other cases I'll get to later) and castle,transposing into the KID 4 pawns attack most likely, which is not to be feared if you know your stuff. 6.dxe6 Black has Bxe6 and fxe6. Bxe6 brings something like a strange hybrid sveshnikov type position. fxe6 white has 7. e5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Kxd8 but that might not be best. Since 7.Nf3 is a pretty good move for white,maybe white should play 5.Nf3 instead of e4 and retain the option of 7.e4 or another move. 5.Nf3 e6! 6. dxe6 Bxe6 7.Ng5 or Qb3. Now can black afford to trade the bishop? I think I'll take the easy way out again and say "unclear". Maybe I'll leave the computer on tonight and let it think about it because I don't know what to think about these positions even with a little computer help. My best guess so far would be that these aren't wonderful for black but they are playable, and less dangerous than the Taimanov. |
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| Feb-23-08 |
| Jim Bartle: Anyone know why it's called the Benoni? The only other Benoni I know is a town in South Africa (revered as the birthplace of Charlize Theron). |
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Feb-23-08
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| Open Defence: well I read that Benoni meant "Born from sadness
" (maybe in Yiddish?) and that the inventor of this opening suffered from depression... |
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Aug-11-08
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| biglo: For an answer read the very first post on page 1 |
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Feb-20-09
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| Pyrrhus: Actually, Benoni means son of sorrow in Hebrew. It refers to the weak d6 pawn. |
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| Feb-20-09 |
| chessman95: The Czech Benoni Defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5) is an interesting option for black. I like the pawn formation here: it reminds me of the feared Maroczy Bind in the Sicilian. Haven't seen it played much, and most players probably don't know how to play it correctly, so every once in a while I use it as my "anti-Benoni" opening. |
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| Mar-14-09 |
| Nuncle: I enjoy the benoni-style positions I sometimes get by transposition from the king's indian (i.e. in the saemisch if white meets ...c5 with d5), and was thinking about switching over to the Modern Benoni as my main defence, but the Taimanov just looks nasty to me. |
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Apr-08-09
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| parisattack: <Nuncle: I enjoy the benoni-style positions I sometimes get by transposition from the king's indian (i.e. in the saemisch if white meets ...c5 with d5), and was thinking about switching over to the Modern Benoni as my main defence, but the Taimanov just looks nasty to me.> The Taimanov very tough to meet! I loved the Benoni formations but had no success playing them. Everytime I think about trying again, I play over Gligoric's games as White against it - he was a real Benoni killer! The Franco-Benoni hybrids might have some unmined possibilities - avoiding an early ...Nf6. |
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Aug-11-09
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| SirChrislov: SirChrislov - shibumi64
chess.com rated correspondence game
Old Benoni?
1.d4 c5
2.Nf3 cxd4
3.e3 Nf6
4.exd4 d5
5.Bg5 h6
6.Bh4 e6
7.Bd3 Be7
8.c3 0-0
9.Nbd2 Nc6
10.Qc2 Kh8
11.0-0-0
blk to move. current position: 
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Aug-12-09
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| An Englishman: Good Evening: <SirChrislov>, what you have could have arisen from the Colle after 1.d4,d5; 2.Nf3,c5; 3.e3,cxd5; 4.exd5,Nf6, but this is definitely a rare sideline, and you probably left book a few moves ago. |
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Aug-12-09
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| SirChrislov: Good Evening there, Sir.<Englishman>
Yes, an obscure sideline indeed. actually, the move order 1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 cxd4 3.e3 was a "no name" gambit, and has very recently been baptized with the name 'Chrislov Gambit'. It is true that it can also be reached via the Colle. The intended plan of my system(assuming blk accepts the gambit) is to play a K-side fianchetto, with Nc3(or to d2) Qe2, 0-0-0, and Rhe1 with tremendous pressure down the half-open central files. wht has enough compensation for the gambited unit, in my humble opinion. but only a test at the upper levels will prove/unprove this point. |
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| Aug-12-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 c5 favors black |
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Aug-12-09
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| SirChrislov: Update on:
SirChrislov - shibumi64
Chrislov Gambit Declined
11... Na5
12.Ne5 latest position: 
click for larger viewblack to move. |
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| Aug-12-09 |
| MaxxLange: <Franco-Benoni> I've been plaing against a friend who does this. I've had good results with either 1 e4 e6 2 d4 c5 3 d5 or with 3 Nf3, offering a transposition to the Sicilian the old theory books say that White is positionally better after 3 d5, but it isn't so easy to prove that and convert in a real game. It's a decent opening and totally playable for Black under 2200 level |
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| Aug-12-09 |
| MaxxLange: <WhiteRook48> please post your analysis! |
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Aug-12-09
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| SirChrislov: <MaxxLange to WhiteRook48: please post your analysis!>
I doubt he'll do that. It's not his style. If you look at his kibitzes(7765 total!!), he's all about short comments and simple remarks, with no follow-up or extension to back up his statements. |
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| Aug-12-09 |
| MaxxLange: maybe he is right...I hope so! |
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Aug-12-09
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| seagull1756: I personally go into benoni for one very simple reason: I hate playing Catalan as black, it is just too passive for my taste... |
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Aug-15-09
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| SirChrislov: SirChrislov - shibumi64
12... Qc7
13.Ndf3 Nc4
14.Bg3 Bd6
15.h4 ...blk to move 
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Aug-15-09
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| parisattack: <MaxxLange: <Franco-Benoni> I've been plaing against a friend who does this. I've had good results with either 1 e4 e6 2 d4 c5 3 d5 or with 3 Nf3, offering a transposition to the Sicilian
the old theory books say that White is positionally better after 3 d5, but it isn't so easy to prove that and convert in a real game. It's a decent opening and totally playable for Black under 2200 level.> Black's position is very loose early in the Franco-Benoni - but he has lots of flexibility/plans and - something I like in defenses - opportunities to play on both/either side of the board. Two books in English on it - The Barcza-Larsen Defense by Fields and Franco-Benoni by Soltis. Gunderdam's two books on unusual openings in German covers it as does the German periodical Randspringer. Quite a lot of unminded territory with respect to plans, move orders, placement of the KN, hitting with ...f5 and such. You should be happy with a Kan-like Sicilian as black - although black can keep improvising for awhile after 3. Nf3, if not. |
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