|Mar-02-04|| ||Taidanii: So, what do we think about the Dutch, team? |
|Mar-02-04|| ||tamar: Their shoes are not good;) |
|Mar-02-04|| ||BiLL RobeRTiE: Seems like an improved King's Indian to me (no tempi wasted unlocking the f-pawn.) Dunno why more people don't play it, Leningrad especially. |
|Mar-02-04|| ||Taidanii: The only down side, it seems, is the lack of development on the queenside. |
|Mar-02-04|| ||matein8: I think that Black's winning percentage with the Dutch provides a clue on how good the opening is. |
|Mar-02-04|| ||Prophylaxis: "Seems like an improved King's Indian to me (no tempi wasted unlocking the f-pawn.)"|
...f5 is not thematic in all KID structures. In some, ...c6 and/or ...b5 is a more reliable way of attacking white's center. Black's main idea in the KID is different than from her idea in the Dutch. In the KID, black lets white play e4 and create a large pawn center to restrain, blockade, and then attack with breaks like ...f5. In the Dutch Leningrad, white is never allowed to play e4 at all, at least not in the opening. Playing ...f5 on the first turn however allows white to adjust accordingly to black's setup with g3, Bg2.
|Mar-02-04|| ||Taidanii: <I think that Black's winning percentage with the Dutch provides a clue on how good the opening is.>|
98% of games give white the advantage in any opening/defense variation. The fact that Black's percentage is lower proves absolutely nothing.
|Mar-02-04|| ||matein8: <Taidanii> Compare it to Black's winning percentage of other defenses such as the Nimzo: Nimzo-Indian (E20) |
|Mar-02-04|| ||Taidanii: <matain8> e4 and d4 defences are completely different, you know this. |
|Mar-02-04|| ||matein8: <Taidanii> The Dutch Defense and the Nimzo are both defenses against d4. |
|Mar-02-04|| ||OneBadDog: Unless you're playing someone over 2200, openings really don't matter that much. The Dutch is a perfectly good defense to 1 d4. |
|Mar-02-04|| ||Taidanii: <maitin8> When did I ever say the Dutch wasnt a d4 defence? |
|Mar-02-04|| ||matein8: <Taidanii> I must have misunderstood you because I didn't know what you were implying by mentioning that e4 and d4 defenses are different.|
The Dutch defense is very aggressive, much more aggressive than its e4 twin, the Sicilian defense. If you are an aggressive player, you might like it. If you can get good results and have fun with an opening, any opening, then you should play it.
|Mar-02-04|| ||Taidanii: <matein8> It's alright. I was just meaning that different white openings may infact dictate the succesion of a defence. |
Well, being female, I generally have a passive personality. Something along the lines of the KID would better suit my playing style.
|Mar-03-04|| ||BiLL RobeRTiE: Prophylaxis, I thought that might be it. Thanks for verifying that. Still I think the Dutch offers good kingside attacking chances, maybe even better than the mainline Kings Indian with 10...f5. |
|Sep-10-04|| ||Giancarlo: If white does not finachtto the King-side in the dutch, he may as well be opening the door for a black blood bath. |
Without it,(Bg2)Black can easily finnachetto on b7 and the attacks are merciless. Just check out some of Bottvinnik's games where Black doesn't do a KSF. Black is dominant.
|Jul-06-07|| ||mokru: I wouldn't knock a statistical advantage, I really believe they imply the soundness of an opening. Is the dutch opening primarily for games where white plays an immediate d4? If white begins with c4, can black force white to play d4?|
|Jul-06-07|| ||ganstaman: <mokru> No, black can never really force white to do anything (and vice versa, I believe). However, positions will likely be reached where white has nothing better than to play d4. Else, black can play ...e5 and claim more central space with a good game.|
The Dutch certainly entails a risk, but I think that if you work a bit to really understand it, it will pay off.
|Jul-07-07|| ||Poisonpawns: In the Dutch you will either knockout your opponent or he will knock you out ;-)|
|Jul-22-07|| ||consafo: a good thing about the dutch defence is you can you use it against a lot of opening systems|
|May-19-19|| ||M van Wingerden: Hello,
Im new on this page and i don't play chess for that long (like 2 years now) and i have a question about the dutch.
I adopted the Dutch, but it seems i always have trouble developing the light squared bishop as black. I tryed playing Bd7 Be8 followed by Bh5 but it seems way to slow. I also tryed b6 Bb7/Ba6 which seems to be a good place for the Bishop, but then i always have troubles with my e6 pawn, which is hanging most of the times. Do you guys have any tips/advice for this?
|May-19-19|| ||moronovich: Hi <M van Wingerden> !|
It is a very relevant question you pose.
Which also could indicate you are improving.
Firstly :All openings have their drawbacks,as I suppose you now.E.g. in french it is also the bishop,Kings Indian-lack of space,Benoni: sometimes running out of moves and so on.
I have played the Dutch Stonewall a lot and somehow it seemed better suited to me than the classical Dutch.:
Bd6,Nf6,0-0,Nbd7 then perhaps Qe7 or Qe8 and around here it is often time to do something about the c8problem.(Or sometimes Nf6-e4 first).
So as it may seem it will depend on the situation on the board.(As cliché like kit may sound:).And by going deep finding some litterature which could illustrate the subject mixed by playing your own games,you will develop a deeper feeling understanding
of which route b7 or d7the bishop shall take(unless the attack is in full swing and it is fine on c8).
In roughly terms:When your opponent is restricting your Dutch attack it goes to b7.And if you have the initiative it is better on d7(e8-h5).Or on c8 (it is a fast piece after all:).And let us not forget: if white plays sloppy,black can sometimes go e5(and postponing the problemon c8).
One bonus information : If you want to avoid the Staunton go 1-e6.Almost nobody plays 2.e4 !
I hope it gives you food for thought and/or inspiration.
|May-19-19|| ||M van Wingerden: Thanks for you tips and advice Mr. Moronovich. I will take this with me in my games!|
|May-19-19|| ||moronovich: I am happy if you can use some of it <Man
van Wingerden> and wish you luck with your work!|