| Mar-02-04 |
| Taidanii: So, what do we think about the Dutch, team? |
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Mar-02-04
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| tamar: Their shoes are not good;) |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| BiLL RobeRTiE: Seems like an improved King's Indian to me (no tempi wasted unlocking the f-pawn.) Dunno why more people don't play it, Leningrad especially. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| Taidanii: The only down side, it seems, is the lack of development on the queenside. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| matein8: I think that Black's winning percentage with the Dutch provides a clue on how good the opening is. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| Prophylaxis: "Seems like an improved King's Indian to me (no tempi wasted unlocking the f-pawn.)" ...f5 is not thematic in all KID structures. In some, ...c6 and/or ...b5 is a more reliable way of attacking white's center. Black's main idea in the KID is different than from her idea in the Dutch. In the KID, black lets white play e4 and create a large pawn center to restrain, blockade, and then attack with breaks like ...f5. In the Dutch Leningrad, white is never allowed to play e4 at all, at least not in the opening. Playing ...f5 on the first turn however allows white to adjust accordingly to black's setup with g3, Bg2. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| Taidanii: <I think that Black's winning percentage with the Dutch provides a clue on how good the opening is.> 98% of games give white the advantage in any opening/defense variation. The fact that Black's percentage is lower proves absolutely nothing. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| matein8: <Taidanii> Compare it to Black's winning percentage of other defenses such as the Nimzo: Nimzo-Indian (E20) |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| Taidanii: <matain8> e4 and d4 defences are completely different, you know this. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| matein8: <Taidanii> The Dutch Defense and the Nimzo are both defenses against d4. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| OneBadDog: Unless you're playing someone over 2200, openings really don't matter that much. The Dutch is a perfectly good defense to 1 d4. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| Taidanii: <maitin8> When did I ever say the Dutch wasnt a d4 defence? |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| matein8: <Taidanii> I must have misunderstood you because I didn't know what you were implying by mentioning that e4 and d4 defenses are different. The Dutch defense is very aggressive, much more aggressive than its e4 twin, the Sicilian defense. If you are an aggressive player, you might like it. If you can get good results and have fun with an opening, any opening, then you should play it. |
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| Mar-02-04 |
| Taidanii: <matein8> It's alright. I was just meaning that different white openings may infact dictate the succesion of a defence. Well, being female, I generally have a passive personality. Something along the lines of the KID would better suit my playing style. |
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| Mar-03-04 |
| BiLL RobeRTiE: Prophylaxis, I thought that might be it. Thanks for verifying that. Still I think the Dutch offers good kingside attacking chances, maybe even better than the mainline Kings Indian with 10...f5. |
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| Sep-10-04 |
| Giancarlo: If white does not finachtto the King-side in the dutch, he may as well be opening the door for a black blood bath. Without it,(Bg2)Black can easily finnachetto on b7 and the attacks are merciless. Just check out some of Bottvinnik's games where Black doesn't do a KSF. Black is dominant. |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| mokru: I wouldn't knock a statistical advantage, I really believe they imply the soundness of an opening. Is the dutch opening primarily for games where white plays an immediate d4? If white begins with c4, can black force white to play d4? |
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| ganstaman: <mokru> No, black can never really force white to do anything (and vice versa, I believe). However, positions will likely be reached where white has nothing better than to play d4. Else, black can play ...e5 and claim more central space with a good game. The Dutch certainly entails a risk, but I think that if you work a bit to really understand it, it will pay off. |
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| Jul-07-07 |
| Poisonpawns: In the Dutch you will either knockout your opponent or he will knock you out ;-) |
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| Jul-22-07 |
| consafo: a good thing about the dutch defence is you can you use it against a lot of opening systems |
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