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|Sep-17-05|| ||chessnewbie: what do you guys think of the hippopotamus defence?|
|Oct-08-05|| ||melianis: I'll try to describe the opening of the day...
St.George's defence may transpose to a great number of various openings, incl. various Sicilian setups (mainly O'Kelly, which in turn transposes often to Najdorf or to other widely tested system), or Benko (or Volga) declined . If white is considering playing Ruy Lopez or Spanish opening, it prevents the standard attack (3.Bb5). However, it neglegts the center of the board (d5,e4,d4,e5) and slows down flank (fianchetto) development. Still, it is not considered unsound.
|Oct-08-05|| ||Gantastic: Probably the best known example of St. George's Defense:|
Karpov vs Miles, 1980
I've played a few dozen games with it, and the main challenge for black has been holding enough space in the center without weakening the pawn structure. Black faces a risk of straight-on kingside assault due to the difficulty of transposing pieces to the kingside.
I've had some interesting games castling queenside. Though white can open up the position with moves like a4, black has an easy enough time covering the king without full pawn coverage. In the meantime, black can gain space with kingside pawn advances attacking the center.
In general, adopting this opening has the nice feature that you're bound to be more booked up on it than your opponent. As the Karpov-Miles game shows, it's easy for white to play too ambitiously versus this rather solid opening.
|Nov-07-05|| ||buRnINGbeNd: Today's opening, the Borg defense, probably has its only redeeming factor in that the ECO code is B00. Maybe this should have been the opening of the day on Halloween.|
|Dec-28-05|| ||refutor: <ericschiller> any comments on bücker's analysis on your analysis of 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bg5 Bxe4 at http://www.chesscafe.com/kaissiber/... ?|
|Jun-05-06|| ||ganstaman: I've tried 1.b3 a lot and really liked it. I've tried 1...b6 a few times and wasn't so impressed. I feel black more easily gets run over in the Owen's Defense than white does in the Nimzo-Larsen Attack. Anyone else feel the same way, or was I just playing it wrong?|
|Jun-05-06|| ||Kings Indian: Today's opening of the day is the Owen's Defence (1.e4 b6) I don't really like this opeing. Like the Pirc, Black gets a cramped game. I've never tried this opening, and I never will.|
|Jun-05-06|| ||Bartleby: <Today's opening of the day is the Owen's Defence (1.e4 b6) I don't really like this opeing. Like the Pirc, Black gets a cramped game. I've never tried this opening, and I never will.>|
Funny you should say, since you like the King's Indian Defence, a hypermodern opening that has been criticized since the 1920s onwards as an opening that gives white too much leeway in the center and a number of attractive setup options. (at the very top tier of chess, it has been abandoned wholesale in favor of the Nimzo-Indian, Slav, and other openings) However, its many endorsers play it for the counterattacking and counterpunching opportunities, waiting for white to overextend or let his guard down. So too with the Owen's, the Pirc, and indeed the Robatsch, Modern, the Grunfeld, and other such openings. With the Owen's black plays ...e6, ...Bb7, ...Bb4, and depending on the position, ...Nf6 or ...c5 or a Nge7 followed by a ...f5 break.
However, it's true that black takes more liberties in solidity with the Owen's than other hypermodern openings. Black runs a real risk of getting overrun or being saddled with insufficient counterplay. It has its champions, though, including Miles, Basman, and the titular Reverend of history himself. 1) ...b6 used to be a trendy response to the English Opening, however, played by many IMs/GMs.
The Owen's Defence is the subject of a cutting edge theory book recently published by Christian Bauer:
|Jun-05-06|| ||jjp: Does anyone here actually play the Owen's defense? I try not to be overly critical of opening play, but can black actually equalize? In some lines I.E. 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 e6 4.Nf3 c5 5. c3 Nf6 6.Nbd2 d5 black winds up with a bad French Defense. Otherwise, white just maintains his two pawns in the center and has a clear advantage. It intrigues me that a book has been written on this opening. Has anyone studied this book? If so, does the book make a good case for using this opening?|
|Jun-06-06|| ||Bartleby: 6. ... d5 in the above line is an error (for the reasons you stated) when black should play 6. ... Be7 instead. Some sample lines:|
7. O-O cd 8. cd d5 (only after the exchange of pawns is this push called for) 9. e5 Nfd7. Black will then trade off his bad bishop with ...Ba6 (10. Qe2 a5) and seek play along the C-file. Black can also try this at move eight (8. ... Ba6 9. Bxa6 Nxa6 10. e5 Nd5 11. Ne4 O-O is one possible line).
Admittedly, it isn't the cosiest of black middlegame positions. However as long as black resfrains from ...d5 until the right moment the pawn structure remains more fluid & Sicilian-esque in nature (The Kan/Paulsen systems) instead of an inferior French. These are the ideas at play, anyway.
The Owen's isn't a part of my repertoire because you have to be booked up to wazoo in order to survive against the dozens of subtle white move orders and maximize your counterplay. Almost as much effort as learning the King's Indian, Ruy Lopez, or Sicilian inside an out (seriously). Plus, those systems are typically more generous to black on a good day. Inaccurate moves here spell a quick death in the center faster than other K-pawn openings, like the Caro-Kann, ...e5, or even the Modern Scandinavian with 2. ... Nf6. However, it has a lot of surprise value on its side, as well as white unfamiliarity (likely). The Owen's, like the Sokolsky, the Nimzo-Larsen, The Bird, The Baltic Defence, and the Nimzovitch Defence, will always attract practicioners of the offbeat and the whimsical. And if they score points, it settles the arguement.
|Jun-06-06|| ||themadhair: <jjp> I use quite a lot in blitz. My record with it against 1.e4 is much better than with 1...e5. Make of that what you will.|
|Jun-30-06|| ||DeepBlade: Owen Defence is a rare opening, it has modern flair.|
1.e4 b6 2.Nc3 Bb7 3.d4
g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 d6 6.f3
Nd7 7.Bc4 Rc8 8.Nge2 a6
9.O-O e6 10.d5 b5 11.Bb3 c5
12.a3 c4 13.Ba2 e5 14.f4 h5
15.fxe5 Nxe5 16.Bf4 h4 17.h3 Rh5
18.b3 g5 19.Bxe5 Bxe5 20.Nd4
Qd7 21.Rf5 Bxd5 22.Nxd5 Rc5
23.bxc4 bxc4 24.Nf3 c3 25.Qd3
Nh6 26.Rxe5+ dxe5 27.Nf6+
Kf8 28.Nxd7+ Kg7 29.Nxc5 Ng8
30.Nxe5 Rh6 31.Qd7 Rf6 0-1 <Lost due time control>
|Jun-30-06|| ||RookFile: Well, this is probably the most famous win for it:
Morphy vs Owen, 1858
|Jul-26-06|| ||ganstaman: For whatever reason, I've started to play the Nimzo, as in 1. e4 Nc6. I like to play 1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 e5. After 3. d5, I get a nice advantage on the kingside, which is where I prefer to attack. After 3. Nf3, I get a Scotch (which I enjoy as black anyway). After 3. dxe5 I'm lost. This was the one obvious move I hadn't counted on until it was played against me today.|
Here's what not to do: 1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 e5 3. dxe5 Nxe5 4. f4 Ng6. Things get too cramped and I don't see compensation. 3...Nxe5 is ok, but I don't really like the look of it so much. So after a tiny bit of research, I find that there are 4 gambits I could play. Any thoughts on 3...Bc4, 3...Qh4, 3...d6, or, the one I like the look of best, 3...f6?
Anyone ever try these? Anyone know of games in the database here that feature the 3...f6 gambit (supposedly the Hammer Gambit)? It's hard to get people to play 2. d4 and harder to get them to play 3. dxe5, but I'll keep trying and let you know how the gambits do.
|Aug-15-06|| ||Knight13: Well... Fritz did get beat by 1. e5 h5 in one of his games: Fritz vs E F Pecci, 2001.|
|Oct-10-06|| ||FHBradley: <ganstaman:> I'm sorry to say this, ganstaman, but you are not really playing the Nimzo, because Nimzowitsch always played 2... d5 as a reply to 2 d4. The ideas behind 2... e5 are completely different. Anyway, that's how I learned it, when I was a kid.|
|Oct-25-06|| ||Kriegspiel: Speaking of Owen's Defense, I'm trying to develop some ideas I had about an early central pawn break. Here is how one such game recently opened (I'm playing Black):|
1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Nc3 e6 4.a3 d5 5.exd5 exd5 6.Qe2 Be7 7.Bg5 Nd7 8.o-o-o Nf6 9.Nf3 o-o
But if instead of 9.Nf3 White plays 9.Re1; and now castling must be postponed else White wins a piece. So how about:
7...Ba6 8.Qe3 Bxf1 9.Kxf1 c6 and now if 10.Re1, Black has 10...h6 11.Bh5 g5 12.Bg3 f5! 13.f4 g4 14.h3 Nf6 and now Black can play ...Kf7 instead of castling.
If instead 10.Qe2 then I think 10...Kf8 would be best. There are a number of lines from there, but for example: 11.Bxe7+ Qxe7 12.Re1 Nd7 13.Nf3 f6
This may seem a little passive, but it's important to prevent White from getting a passed pawn by moving the knight to e5 (attacking the c6 pawn). Then perhaps:
14.g3 Qxe2 15.Rxe2 Kf7 16.Kg2 Re8 17.Rhe1 Rxe2 18.Rxe2 Nh6
There may be more inspired replies by Black here.
<Ganstaman> suggested that White play 4.Bd3 (instead of a6) and 5.e5 to cramp Black. Here's an attempt to reply to that line:
After 3.Nc3 e6 4.Bd3 d5 5.e5 c5 6.Be3 (with the idea of o-o-o and leaving the f-pawn unblocked by a knight), Black has: 6...cxd4 7.Bxd4 Nc6 8.Bb5 (8.Be3?? d4 and Black has won a piece) 8...a6 9.Bxc6 Bxc6 and White has been forced to give up his light-squared bishop for a queen's knight, while Black's light squared bishop now has control of a critical diagonal and new points of egress.
If instead 6.Nf3, White's f-pawn is blocked in; but after 6...cxd4 7.Nxd4 Bc5 8.Be3 Bxd4 9.Bxd4 Nc6 10.Bb5 (see above re 10.Be3??) 10...a6 11.Bxc6 Bxc6 and White's center isn't all that impressive anymore. One possible continuation: 12.f4 Ne7 13.Qd2 Nf5 14.o-o-o h5 15.h3 16.h4 and Black has a nice outpost for his knight.
I'm only a beginning/intermediate player. Just some ideas, not a systematic analysis (if there is such a thing). Very possibly I've overlooked something -- more than one thing.
|Oct-25-06|| ||Kriegspiel: <Ganstaman: [Re Nimzo Defense] 1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 e5 3. dxe5 Nxe5 4. f4 Ng6. Things get too cramped and I don't see compensation. 3...Nxe5 is ok, but I don't really like the look of it so much.>|
What about 3...Qh4 and now Black is attacking the e4 pawn with his queen and the e5 pawn with his knight? Black is bound to get his pawn back one way or another. Try a search at chessbase.com using the Chess Database for these first three moves. I see 5 wins for White, 3 wins for Black, and two draws.
|Oct-26-06|| ||ganstaman: <Kriegspiel> It's nice to have an ECO code to talk about all this. Easier to organize and find in the future.|
I see though that we've had some misunderstanding before: <<Ganstaman> suggested that White play 4.Bd3 (instead of a6) and 5.e5 to cramp Black.>
I actually want Bd3 instead of Nc3. That knight can be developed later, probably to d2 (after the dark square bishop is let loose). This allows the pawn chain b2-c3-d4-e5 to be formed, or at least b2-c3-d4 (pawns support d4, pieces support e4).
I feel that if you face Nc3, you have a better chance of making a good game out of it. I don't have time now to look over what you've posted in more detail, but I hope this is good for now.
|Oct-26-06|| ||Kriegspiel: <Ganstaman> I see. I thought you meant play Bd3 to protect the e4 pawn afer the knight was pinned. Incidentally, I forgot to mention re the chessbase.com search regarding your ND position, that I had set the minimum ELO rating for each player to 2000. Makes it easier to find good moves, though it may on occasion overlook some. |
I'll have a look at that 3.Bd3 thing shortly.
|Nov-22-06|| ||Kriegspiel: Note to self: another Scorpion (Pafu-type opening) played by a big-name GM as Black against a classical set-up, and winning:|
M Cazelais vs A Skripchenko-Lautier, 2005
|Nov-29-06|| ||Kriegspiel: Ha! Finally, a name for this opening -- MacLeod's Defense -- and not only that, an encylopedia page for it:|
From now on, I will adopt this nomenclature. Note that it should NOT be called a Hippopotamus.
|Feb-26-07|| ||southpawjinx: Here is one of my wins against the Owens Defense.
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[Black "knight fighter"]
[Termination "Black king mated"]
1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Nc3 f6 4.Bd3 g6 5.Nge2 Bg7 6.Be3 e6 7.Qd2 Ne7 8.f3 O-O 9.Nb5 a6 10.Nbc3 h6 11.Bxh6 Bxh6 12.Qxh6 Rf7 13.Qd2 Rh7 14.O-O-O d6 15.Nf4 Bc8 16.e5 fxe5 17.dxe5 Bb7 18.Bxg6 Nxg6 19.Nxg6 Nd7 20.exd6 Ra7 21.dxc7 Qxc7 22.Qd6 Bxf3 23.Qxe6+ Rf7 24.gxf3 Nf8 25.Nxf8 Kxf8 26.Qh6+ Ke8 27.Rhe1+ Re7 28.Qh8+ Kf7 29.Nd5 Qd6 30.Nxe7 Qf4+ 31.Kb1 Qg5 32.Qe5 Qh6 33.Qd5+ Kg7 34.Nf5+ Kg6 35.Nxh6 Kxh6 36.Re6+ Kg7 37.Qd7+ Rxd7 38.Rxd7+ Kf8 39.Rxb6 Ke8 40.Ra7 Kd8 41.Rb8+ lack king mated 1-0
|Jul-02-07|| ||alter: B00 covers a lot of supposedly inferior responses to 1.e4 but the consensus seems to be that 1...b6 is the best. Additionally, 1...b6 is the "uncommon" response which is most often used by GMs, and not without good reason. Incidentally, in the game below, 3...f6 is complete nonsense, 3...e6 is the way to go (intending Bb4 and Nf6 to attack the e4 square).|
|Sep-02-07|| ||get Reti: The borg defense (1.e4 g5), which is today's opening of the day, is grob backwards!|
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