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|Dec-11-03|| ||SilentWitness: Isn't this the Modern Defence? What connection does Robatsch have with this opening? |
|Dec-11-03|| ||Benzol: It was also known as P-R-U.
In Yugoslavia it was named after Pirc, in Austria it was called Robatsch and in the USSR it was named after Ufimtsev. Other names associated with it include Kotov, Antal and Judge A B Meek. Canadian masters in the late 60's and early 70's called it 'The Rat'. Ray Keene and George Botterill decided that 'The Modern Defence' was the simplest label and named their eponymous book as such.
|Jan-10-04|| ||Benjamin Lau: I really like this opening for some reason. I know it's probably bad, but I like to use it occasionally for the sheer fun. I like to transpose to the Hippopotamus Defense (1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nf3 d6 4. Be2 e6 5. c3 Nd7. 6. o-o Ne7). |
|Feb-07-04|| ||zion: i like the modern defence also :)
it is pretty difficult to handle, but if you are able to master this defence then the counter-attacking results for black are actually quite satisfactory
|Feb-19-04|| ||pawn2king4: <it is pretty difficult to handle, but if you are able to master this defence then the counter-attacking results for black are actually quite satisfactory>|
I have been playing this opening as Black. I like the flexibility of it, there is not so much to know as the Sicilian, and it actually has a good record (33.1 % wins for Black, 36.6 % for White, while the Sicilian is 30.4% wins for Black, 34.8% for White).
But I agree that you have to play quite a bit of defense with this opening before getting attacking chances.
|May-17-04|| ||ruylopez900: Congrats to Suttles, a Canadian GM, for being a forerunner in this opening!!! BTW Benzol, on the tpoic of Canucks I do believe that the Rat has a d6 played while the Modern/Robatsch doesn't nescessarily have it played. That would make more of a Pirc. also do the Yugoslavs also call 1...d6 2...Nf6 the Pirc or do they have another name? |
|May-17-04|| ||Benzol: <ruy> Thanks for the info on 'The Rat'. I don't know if the Yugoslavs have a different name for the move order 1...d6 and 2...f6. |
|May-17-04|| ||refutor: the rat actually is the pirc with ...c6 (e.g. 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 c6 for instance) |
|Jul-05-04|| ||dac1990: I call this the PRUMAK system (Pirc-Robatsch-Ufimstev-Meek-Antal-Kotov). |
|Jul-14-04|| ||rochade18: I almost never play a kingside fianchetto in my games, but If I had to I would play the KID against 1.d4 and perhaps the Sicilian Dragon against 1.e4, but never the Robatsch. I believe that White's game is more aggressive without c4. Nevertheless, I respect the Robatsch. |
|Jul-16-04|| ||e4Newman: I just started a correspondence game with this opening and I'm planning an early k-side attack as white. |
|Jul-16-04|| ||fred lennox: The Robatsch is a weapon I can use when I'm in the mood for complicated tension filled central play. Typical is aggressive pawn moves, threatening strong outposts and even passed pawns. Something to watch out for as white. |
|Aug-05-04|| ||Whitehat1963: Two excellent examples from the opening of the day ...|
Leko vs Ivanchuk, 2004
Topalov vs Shirov, 1994
|Aug-05-04|| ||e4Newman: In the <Leko-Ivanchuk> game, white tries the bishop/queen attack on black's fianchettoed bishop. I've had luck with this and the h-pawn attack at the amateur level. In this case, black declines as he should, yet white continues to advance the queen. A weak attack in my opinion. |
|Oct-02-04|| ||ruylopez900: What are poeple's thoughts on the scorpion defence? (pawns on a6-b6-c7-d6-e6-f7-g6-h6, both Bs fianchettoed, kingths on e7 and d7, 0-0) I only ask this here because I don't think ECO gave it it's own code. Thanks. |
|Oct-02-04|| ||Dudley: I think it is too passive and almost guaranteed to lead to a very cramped game. If White establishes a pawn front of 3 pawns (c4,d4,e4 or d4,e4,f4) he will be able to advance a pawn at the appropriate time to get an open or half open file, which should allow white to break into the Black position. Unless Black can come out of his shell with the right pawn break timed correctly, this setup is not too good in my opinion. I have played against it several times in blitz. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: ruylopez900, the Scorpion is actually the Hippopotamus carried out to its conclusion. Dudley, this is one of those openings where a few people score lots of wins, and others can't play properly at all. Truly a defense for a cult following. Versus c4,d4,e4 Black can play e5,f5, and Nd7-f6 and the usual KID King side rush. Versus d4,e4,f4 Black can try d5,c5 and Ne7-c6 with the usual French Queen side rush. Some know when to counterattack, but most people who try the Hippo get rolled off the board. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: As for the Modern in general, I used to play it every once in a while. I scored quite well with it, but it was really hard to play well. Of course, it was really hard for my opponents to play well against it, but I never was fully comfortable. It was the only opening I ever played which would consistently make both players miserable. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||ruylopez900: <Dudley><Englishman> Thanks for the ideas. |
|Nov-14-04|| ||morphy234: Modern defense is awesome! I love to play 3...c5!!
<ruylopez> Isn't the scorpion also called "Vant Kruys Defense" with white? When white plays 1. e3? There SHOULD be an ECO code for it.
|Nov-14-04|| ||tex: There shouldn't. People would be confused if every crappy opening had an ECO code. ECO does need some positive changes - like more codes for caro-kann advance (all under B12 now). |
|Jan-23-05|| ||Backward Development: Backward Development: i agree. there are many theoretically critical lines that don't receive nearly enough theoretical coverage. The modern may be entertaining, but if white doesn't over-extend himself, he should be playing for mate as well as with the 'draw-in-hand' as they say. I've played against the modern many times and the standard anti-fianchetto setup(0-0-0, Be3, Qd2, pawns on e4 f3 g4 and h4. rooks on g and h-file.) works like always. |
|Jan-23-05|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: In addition to Flank Openings, and Aron Nimzowitsch: a Reappraisal, I also owned Keene and Botterill's books on the Pirc and Modern. I remembered that they express a certain admiration for one Maximillian Ujtelky, who played the strangest Modern Defenses of all time.|
I am pleased to announce that Mr. Ujtelky is well-represented here, with 14 Mongredien Defenses (and we call this the Modern Defense?!). They are every bit bizarre as Messrs. Keene & Botterill aver, and I recommend them highly. Start with this shock upset over Nezhmetdinov:
Nezhmetdinov vs Ujtelky, 1964
Truly a jaw-dropper.
|Jan-23-05|| ||IMlday: "The Modern Defence" is a very interesting book because there wasn't much theory when it was written. The Russians paid attention to ..g6 when Spassky and Botvinnik started to use it. They even invited Ujtelky to a tournament and did an article in Shakmatny Bulletin discussing his lines. Also they got Suttles to Sochi, 1972 even before he had his GM title.
They call the Hippopotamus a Scorpion
which sort of alerts the Whites to the dangers. The 1966 World match had a couple, both drawn. Spassky later also turned 1.e4 b6 into ordinary hippos.
Hippopotamusification for Dummies! :-)
|Apr-30-05|| ||refutor: what's wrong (positionally) with building up a big center (and trying to stunt the bishop) with 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c3? i play it semi-regularly as white, but is putting the pawn on c4/the knight on c3 that much better?|
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