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|Sep-04-07|| ||a30seclegend: i think in either case it allows black to play e5 allowing a philidors defense.|
|Sep-04-07|| ||MaxxLange: Supposedly this gives Black better Philidor options, too: http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_re...|
|Jul-11-08|| ||madeinholland: What is considered to be the least theoretical variation for White when facing this defense? I would like to play against the Pirc by mostly using general principles and ideas rather then razor sharp theoretical lines such as the Austrian, Be3 and Bg5 systems. Is the classical variation best suited for that?|
|Nov-10-08|| ||freeman8201: what is considered to be the least theoretical variation for White when facing this defense?
As white try a h pawn attack or f3 system aiming for a king side attack|
|Mar-08-09|| ||FiveofSwords: <freeman8201> well I often play systems with f3...however it is not avoiding theory at all. For me at least its an attempt to transpose to a saemish king's indian, I play for Be3, c4, f3, Qd2, 0-0-0, etc. It may or may not involve an attack on the kingside but it does generally involve the move g4 to discourage the black freeing move f5. The saemish is quite a nice opening but it is, of course, highly theoretical. Thats the thing with the pirc, you can play moves that attempt to avoid theory but theres a lot of transpositional elements to many opening so if you arent doing something highly forcing to make it an independant character, its fairly impossible to avoid theory.|
|Mar-08-09|| ||chessman95: Sometimes I play a CK or Sicilian Pirc. Instead of preventing e5 with d6, I open up the diagonal for the queen with c6 or c5, so that it white plays e5 after Nf6 then I have the tactic Qa5+ gaining a pawn. This works well as a Sicilian, because most people play 2.Nf3 looking for an Open Sicilian and then I play 2...Nf6 and go into the Pirc, where white cannot advance the f-pawn because the knight is blocking it, which helps black a lot.|
|Mar-08-09|| ||geniokov: Well madeinholland,choosing style against Pirc depend upon if the "style" fits you.If you want to use Classical Variation against Pirc,donīt expect for lively play,all you can have is just a small advantage whereas if you are an agressive player...Austrian attack is the best choice.....Why not try Saemisch Pirc?|
|Apr-24-09|| ||ray keene: according to the database i have 69 black games -one more than the "leading" black practitioner cited above :azmaiparashvili!|
|May-25-09|| ||returnoftheking: Ergo: you are not a leading player. Azmaiparishvilli has a much better score with the Pirc anyway. Not to mention the numerous modern games he played, related to the pirc.|
Besides all that, I am afraid Mr. Keene's comment makes little sense: there are 151 Pircs (not just B07) of Azmaiparishvilli in the database.
|May-25-09|| ||returnoftheking: To illustrate:
Azmai played to times Pirc against Karpov in his prima and got 1,5 point.
Karpov vs Azmaiparashvili, 1983
This happened to our "leading practicioner" in spe..
Karpov vs Keene, 1977
|Jun-07-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Oh, man!! That went different|
|Apr-22-10|| ||rapidcitychess: Recently, I have gotten tired of the solidity of the Caro Kann, and decided to get better at defense and counter attack. This is why I chose the Pirc.
Off subject a bit but can some one tell me a little about the Modern/Robatasch? Thanks.|
|Apr-23-10|| ||Jonzi9771: ...Once, many moons back in time, playing the Black side in reply to White's 1.e4, picked up the c pawn with the intention of placing it to c5, instead, dropped the pawn recklessly at c6 square...that was the last time I played this boring, lousy CK. CK is a Black Hole, it Sucks
everything in its gravitational sphere.|
|Jan-01-11|| ||Sho: I like Pirc.
As a third-rate player, this opening is uncommon to most of my (third-rate) opponents. Moreover it fits my style: wait and build. (I like the double-attack feature of a fianchettoed bishop.)
My rating has improved since discovering the Pirc. I'm a fan.
|Apr-23-11|| ||Sho: P.S. Still third rate but still a fan.|
|Oct-19-11|| ||jbtigerwolf: Trying to find stuff on the hippopotamus. Was shown this in it's purest form, fianchettoing both Bishops, d6, e6 and Nd7,Ne7... so 8 moves. Then 0-0 soon after. I like it. I can sit back and adjust and I'm not really cramped.|
It seems to involve initially d6 or g6. It's flexible, but I wonder where I can find this defense discussed in chessgames. I don't really like the Pirc or the Modern, which seem to be related.
Wonder if there's a best move order or not? Would be nice to solve my black problems.
|Dec-18-11|| ||Penguincw: Opening of the Day
1.e4 d6 2.d4 f6
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|Apr-01-12|| ||Tigranny: This is my favorite opening to play as Black against 1.e4.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||waustad: I've seen this often morph into some sort of Philidor while looking at games from Austrian players. What the opening gets called depends on how deep in the game they choose to name it as it keeps transposing.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||perfidious: <waustad> If I were still active and played the Pirc, no 3.Nc3 e5 for me; that is a line which seems equal after 4.dxe5 dxe5 5.Qxd8+, and does not look terribly interesting as a way to play for a win with White either.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||waustad: The Austrians often seem to get Nd7 in before the e5 push. A typical example would be from Josef Maier vs Eva Moser today:|
1. e4 d6
2. d4 Nf6
3. Nc3 Nbd7
4. Be3 e5
5. f3 c6
|Apr-20-13|| ||RookFile: In other words, they don't want to allow the queen trade. Don't think it holds special terrors for black, but maybe they want a more interesting game. On the other hand, this method delays the kingside fianchetto. I've actually played some games with 1.d4 d6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 dxe5 4. Qxd8+, winning fairly easily with black. It's actually a good weapon to use against lower rated players who think they have a guaranteed draw with white.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||perfidious: <RookFile> That is a line I've never played, though I once tried the analogous Old Indian variation 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 e5 4.dxe5 dxe5 5.Qxd8+ Kxd8 at Montreal against a player rated ca 1950, whose speciality was the Saemisch vs a KID.|
As you said of your variation, this line doesn't seem anything special for Black-he has already given up castling-but my opponent handled the queenless middlegame poorly, probably because there was no big centre and attack on the king.
|Apr-20-13|| ||waustad: There is almost nothing in that line here in this database, but looking at Austrian league games, Moser isn't the only one playing it. She usually ends up in a Philidor like setup and has been playing these lines for nearly a decade. It is hard to select these games with search since they arise through so many different move orders.|
|Aug-09-13|| ||perfidious: <waustad>: It is most unfortunate that the search feature for games has what appear to be significant drawbacks; the only way I know of to overcome this-to an extent-is to play around with various move-orders in hopes of turning up a game, one way or another.
Even then, one tends to get the game(s) classified under various arrant opening listings.|
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