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| Jun-13-08 | | kackhander: <Here's an anti-Caro variation I've used with great results. What would you do against it?> 1. Nc3 g6
Perhaps I've missed the point. |
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| Jun-13-08 | | cuendillar: No, I just forgot to "normalize" the move order with 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 which is the more normal move order. Early g6 is of course simply another opening. |
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| Jun-13-08 | | Alphastar: <cuendillar> I'd play 6. ..Nxe4 7. Qxe4 Nf6. after that black can play the bishop to f5 or g4 with an easy game. |
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| Jun-13-08 | | whiskeyrebel: Instead of 6...Bg4 I think black is better off swapping knights: 6...Nxe4 7. Qxe4 Nf6. |
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| Jun-13-08 | | whiskeyrebel: There are 7 games in opening explorer in which black plays 6...Nxe4 and none with 6...Bg4. I enjoyed looking at your game. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | cuendillar: Thanks, I read in a book that Bg4 was supposed to equalize but 6...Nxe4 does appear more natural. 8.Qc2 should ensure white a decent game then I think, though I don't deny that black can likely equalize. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | cuendillar: To expand on my previous post: 6...Nxe4 7.Qxe4 Nf6 8.Qc2 Qd5 <intending Bf5> 9.Nf3 Bf5 10.Bd3 Bxd3 11.Qxd3 e5!? 12.c4 Bb4+ 13.Kf1! and white is better. 11...e6 is more solid, but I think I personally still prefer white though that's more opinion than analysis. I need the advice of a Caro Kann player on that line. Other 8th moves may lead to positions resembling a normal CK as well though white certainly have some plusses in those as well. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Alphastar: <cuendillar> I think 11. ..Qe4+ leads to an equal endgame though I would prefer black's position because his bishop is better. Look, if you seriously want to get an opening advantage against the caro-kann then 3. Qf3 is not an option. It simply doesn't do the trick. |
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Jun-17-08
 | | whiteshark: <kackhander> If he prevented you from playing C-K, even if you didn't intend it, it's still an <anti>C-K, no ? The same is true for ... |
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| Jun-17-08 | | kackhander: whiteshark: thank you for once again dignifying my BS with a thoughtful response :) |
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| Jun-17-08 | | kackhander: you should see how my opponents cower before my revolutionary anti-slav system. 1. e4!
take THAT mr black pieces. |
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Jun-17-08
| | whiteshark: <kackhander <>> 'No cause!' (my answer,g@@gled translation) :D |
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| Jan-11-09 | | jon01: Can anyone recommend a book how to deal with Caro-Kann? 1. ...c6 is the only move I'm afraid of after playing 1. e4. |
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Jan-11-09
 | | refutor: panov attack is good if you like the IQP
also, i have always found the 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 e6 5.g4 to be tough to handle |
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| Jan-12-09 | | jon01: I've played Panov mainly too and the isolated pawn doesn't stand very well in my hands. The second line might be interesting to study. I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
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| Feb-23-09 | | WhiteRook48: I almost never play the Caro-Kann.
I play 1. f4 with White, and 1...c5 as Black.
Isn't this opening supposed to continue 2. d4 d5? |
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| Feb-26-09 | | Minty: I played the caro-kann in an online game once, because the touchpad on my laptop wasn't working properly (I meant to put the pawn on c5). |
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| Feb-26-09 | | chessman95: I think the Caro-Kann is one of the most underrated openings in all of chess. It is basically the same as the French Defense, with the main difference being that instead of black's bishop being trapped in, black's knight is trapped in. Also, the amount of theory to learn to be able to play the CK is about half of what you need to learn to play the French, but it's just as solid. I think too many people don't think it's good just because there's very little theory on it and not many people play it. The French is one of the most respected openings, and even though it's not very popular right now, I don't see why the Caro-Kann isn't just as popular. |
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| Feb-26-09 | | chessman95: <jon01>
<Can anyone recommend a book how to deal with Caro-Kann?>
Here's one, if you're interested:
http://www.amazon.com/Play-Caro-Kan... |
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Apr-11-09
 | | parisattack: <chessman95: I think the Caro-Kann is one of the most underrated openings in all of chess.> It has certainly been championed by some of the best players! The QB free is not all positive - black loses some dynamic/latent possibilities that probably gives him more winning/losing chances in the French. I think the C-K is a good 1. e4 response for 1. d4 players since many of the positions have QP opening characteristics - especially the Panov Attack. Perhaps one reason it appealed to Botvinnik and Petrosian? Of which (The Panov Attack) <Can anyone recommend a book how to deal with Caro-Kann?> I would mention Schiller's trilogy on the Panov. For variety: 1. e4, c6; 2. d4, d5; 3. Nc3, b5?! Or - 1. e4, c6; 2. d4, Na6 ?! the De Bruycker Variation. 1. e4, c6; 2. d4, g6 a C-K/Robatsch hybrid is not uncommon. |
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| Apr-23-09 | | James Demery: whiskeyrebel: are you still sticking with the CK? I`m despairing of playing the Sicilian. I have a limited amount of study time and the Sicilian is so challenging and study intensive. But it does challenge for the center right away. Are you still playing it with success? Do you have any advice for someone who is about 500 points below you and looking for an answer to 1. e4? |
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| Apr-23-09 | | James Demery: I always thought of the CK as being rather drawish and so I was very interested in your comments about the good score you had against opposition rated 150 points higher than you. What do you recommend against players who use the Advance variation? e5 seems problematic. |
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| Apr-24-09 | | whiskeyrebel: I still play the CK and do well with it against higher rated opposition. I really enjoy the fact that so many players I encounter play 3. e5 and expect me to roll over and die. I'll admit against well prepared opposition you have to really be careful. Frequently, players hurl out a quick 4. g4 or 4. h4 and destroy their positions with a poorly thought out pawn attack. After 4. h4 I reply 4...Qb6 and if 5. g4 Bd7 playing for an eventual c5 break exploiting whites lack of developement. If 4.g4 (which I see often in blitz) 4..Be4 5.f3 Bg6 6.h4 h5 7.e6 Qd6 8.exf Bxf7 I've reached this position several times and feel comfortable with it. The more dangerous lines are 4.Nf3 e6 5.Be2 Ne7 6.0-0 c5 and if dxc N(e)c6 8.Be3 Nd7 and 4.Nc3 e6 5.g4 Bg6 6.Ne2 c5 7.h4 h6 8.Be3 cxd 9.Nxd4 Bb4. I studied Karpov's book on the advance variation and learned these answers. Now, If white simply starts hurling pawns at me on the kingside I smile rather than shiver. You must learn how to get your pieces out in the proper order and play c5 or you will probably get squashed, however. It's no more dangerous than facing all the attacking systems against the Sicilian. If the positions from master games along these lines leave you feeling uncomfortable I'd stick with the Sicilian though since you already are familiar with it. |
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| Apr-24-09 | | whiskeyrebel: One more thing, many players stronger than me recommend 3...c5 against the advance. I don't play it, but even Karpov respects it. It's another effective tool. I plan to look at it again in the very near future. |
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| Apr-24-09 | | HSOL: Playing almost exclusively Caro-Kann vs e4 I would say it's drawback it can be quite drawish but usually you run less risk to be overrun than in most other defences. (Playing the classical it's hard to get winning chances against a competent opponent) Advance variation: I consider c5 to be inferior to Bf5 but several strong players recommend it. But with Bf5 you have to watch your steps to not fall foul against the pawn rush. That said, I can't understand the recognition Advance variation has. It's probably the continuation my results are best against. I'm not saying it's dubious but it's hardly more than OK in my reckoning. The continuations I don't really like to play against is of the main variations the Panov-Botvinnik attack which I objectively think it is White's best continuation. What I really fear to play against a competent opponent is Gunderam's Attack though (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.c5) It is very possible there's a good remedy vs the c5 push but I'm not aware of it. It's very rare to face the c5 push though. |
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