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Feb-10-05
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| suenteus po 147: <chessgames.com> Hmmm.... After quite a bit of game hopping I see that a good many of these games are actually Panov-Botvinnik Attacks. Would it be easier just to email a complete list of the games on this page that transpose so they can be fixed all at once instead of one at a time? |
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| Mar-24-05 |
| ionnn: I use to play Panov attack against the Caro-Kann. Some months ago one of my opponent played that opening and the game was very wild. I would like to know if the black sacrifices on it are "books moves". During the game, i really believed black had blundered with 13 ... Bc5 but after the game my opponent told me that is "a well know move". I was out of book after 11 ... e5 (and still are :-)). If it's really a theoric move what was the black error then. Any help will be graceful, and please forgive my poor english. 1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. exd5 cxd5
4. c4 Nf6
5. Nc3 Nc6
6. Nf3 Bg4
7. cxd5 Nxd5
8.Qb3 Bxf3
9. gxf3 Nb6
10. d5 Nd4
11. Qd1 e5
12. dxe6 fxe6
13. Be3 Bc5
14. b4 O-O
15. bxc5 Nxf3+
16. Ke2 Qh4
17. cxb6 Rad8
18. Qa4 Nd4+
19. Kd3 Nf5+
20. Kc2 Nxe3+
21. fxe3 Qf2+
22. Be2 Rc8
23. Rae1 Qxe3
24. Qb3 Rf2
25. bxa7 Rxe2+
26. Rxe2 Qxe2+
27. Kb1 Qa6
28. Re1 Re8
29. Qb5 Re7
30. Qxa6 bxa6
31. a8=Q+ 1-0 |
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Mar-24-05
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| Eric Schiller: <dragon40> I agree, though Black has plenty of resources in the Panov. The isolated d-pawn positions guarantee an unbalanced, and usually interesting, game. As for the Exchange Variation, Black's strategy is simple: figure out a way to play ...e5! The Panov sets more problems for Black. However, for lower rated players the Exchange is an easy opening to play, and along with the Advance (3.e5), fits nicely into a repertoire where more attention has to be paid to 1...e5 and 1...c5. |
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Mar-24-05
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| Eric Schiller: Admaittedly, White can concentrate on stopping e5, but if so, other opportunities arise. See, for example, Einarsson vs E Schiller, 1986 |
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| Jun-21-05 |
| Waffles: Something very powerful against the exchange variation. I haven't seen this in any theory, including four of my Caro-Kann books. you setup like this: c6, d5, cd, g6, bg7, nh6!, f6!, Nf7!, 0-0, nD7, and then you absolutely slaughter with an e5 pawn break. If necessary you can also play Re8 to add more pressure to the powerball. |
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| Sep-09-05 |
| ongyj: I'm a newbie in the Caro-Kann yet I found Caro-Kann so tough. Yet I'd to find something for White, and chose the Exchange variation with 4.Bd3, which IMO, is definitely the #1 spot for the light square Bishop at this point of time. I'd wish anyone to enlighten me with any known ideas and/or lines in this fashion thanks. |
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| Sep-09-05 |
| RookFile: Well, I don't see anything wrong with
playing the Caro Kann exchange variation. You're playing the queen's gambit declined with the colors reversed, and better development for your queen's bishop.
So, certainly, you are putting important types of positions into your chess education, that will serve you well over the long haul.My personal preference this days is for the Panov - Botvinnik attack. I think that leads to a livelier game. |
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| Sep-09-05 |
| RookFile: What you want to avoid as white is
Capablanca's ... Bb5 idea:
Maroczy vs Capablanca, 1926
.... which Fischer did against Petrosian:
Fischer vs Petrosian, 1970 |
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Sep-09-05
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| Mating Net: <RookFile> Excellent point about Black playing ...Bb5 in the exchange Caro. I have added both the Capa game and the Fischer game to my Caro collection for future study, thanks for pointing them out. I was unaware of that particular try by Black. Question, I suppose there is nothing to fear if 11.a4 Nb3?! 12.Ra2 I take it that the awkward placement of the White Rook can not be punished. I ask because not having the Rooks united along the back rank so early in the game with so many pieces still on the board tends to present the other side with tactical opportunities. |
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| Sep-09-05 |
| RookFile: Well, I'll just quote Kasparov:
11. a4!
"A typically Fischer-like, very concrete move: abstract fears about the weakness of the b3 square are unknown to the American! Perhaps it was this reply that Petrosian underestimated, when he undertook the 'sideways' knight manoeuvre to a5.
Here, he must ahve become a little nervous..."
11.... Rc8
"Black faced a difficult choice, since
neither of the tempting invasions at b3 would have relieved his difficulties: 11..... Qb3 12. Qe2! Nc4 (but not 12... Bxa4? 13. Rxa4 Qxa4
14. Bb5+ Fischer) 13. Bc1 Rc8 (13... Bd6? 14. a5! winning a piece) 14.0-0, or
11.... Nb3!? ( the exchange of the knight would at least justify the preceding moves) 12. Ra2 Rc8 13. 0-0 Be7 14. Be5 (14. Re1!?) h6 15. Nbd2 Nxd2 16. Nxd2" |
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Sep-09-05
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| Mating Net: <RookFile> Thanks for that line, I guess you can't go wrong quoting Kasparov. I might add that, for my sake, I'm glad 11...Nb3 was the subject of some analysis because it looked like the sort of move White has to take seriously. |
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| Sep-09-05 |
| ongyj: <RookFile> thanks a lot! |
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| Nov-20-05 |
| Kriegspiel: I'm a bit puzzled because, after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4, Jester rates 4...dxc4 (Jester responds with 5.Bxc4) better than any other fourth move for Black (-0.36). It does avoid B14. But none of the legal fifth moves for Black that I can see maintain this, though several of them do maintain a marginal advantage (as scored by Jester) for Black, on the order of (-0.14) or (-0.11). Aside from the issue of idiosyncrasies in Jester's scoring system, what are views on 4...dxc4? Kriegspiel |
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Nov-20-05
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| Eric Schiller: <kriegspiel> Taking the pawn at c4 is a computer move, and computers are terrible at evaluating openings without many tactics. 4...Nf6 is played almost 100x more frequently, and Black has a horrible 33% score in the line. The only line that seems playable is 4...dxc4 5.Bxc4 Qc7, but 6.Qd3!? looks pretty good and scores well for White. |
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Nov-20-05
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| who: <Eric Schiller: Admaittedly, White can concentrate on stopping e5, but if so, other opportunities arise. See, for example, Einarsson vs E Schiller, 1986> I actually like white's position in that game all the way till 24.g4 where you find a nice tactic which crushes his entire position. |
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| Nov-21-05 |
| Kriegspiel: <Eric Schiller> I very much appreciate your feedback, first because you are a FIDE Master and second because you have extensive experience with the Caro-Kann. Being a famous chess author doesn't hurt either. Please take a look at a slightly longer game segment using this opening (I'm playing Black against Jester). It certainly *seems* playable; in fact it leaves me with both bishops in an open game and otherwise equal material, with a castled, protected king: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 dxc4 5.Bxc4 e6 6.Nf3 Be7 7.o-o Nf6 8.Bg5 Nc6 9.Bb5 Bd7 10.Nc3 a6 11.Bxc6 Bxc6 12.Ne5 Bd5 13.Qc1 Rc8 14.Qf4 o-o 15.Rfd1 Nh5 16.Qg4 Bxg5 17.Qxh5 f6 18.Nd3 Re8 19.Qh3 (and at this point Jester rates Black with an advantage of -0.36). Kriegspiel
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| Jan-07-06 |
| DanielBryant: I can't find a comfortable way for Black to avoid the miserable endgame seen in B Avrukh vs N Sulava, 2002 in the 6.Qd3 line mentioned above. |
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| Jul-16-06 |
| BaranDuin: Hello,
I have to confront a 2200+'er who is a notorious caro kann fanatic tomorrow in an open tournament. I will try out this line. I'll tell you how I fared with it tomorrow. |
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Apr-07-09
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| Robin01: What is good or bad about the move Nc3 for white in this position? The Opening Explorer does not address this move.
click for larger view |
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| Apr-07-09 |
| Alphastar: It blocks the c2-c3 advance, which is a natural protection for the d4-pawn. Otherwise the knight isn't doing that much on c3 either. There is ofcourse the idea of Nb5/Nc7+ but black can easily meet that, for example with Bf5 followed by Rc8. |
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Apr-13-09
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| Robin01: <Alphastar>Suppose black plays Nf6 instead of Nc6 in the position. Now Nc3 appears to be playable. What do you think?
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Jul-12-09
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| refutor: for people who play the Caro-Kann as Black but don't like the panov
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 dxc4 5.Bxc4 leads to a queen's gambit accepted after 5. ...e6 |
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Jul-12-09
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| blacksburg: also, 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5!! leads to a Scandinavian Defense after 4.Nc3 Qa5. but this move order to get to the Scandinavian is flawed because white has weird sidelines like 3.Nc3 and 3.e5 and who wants to think about that stuff? just play 1...d5 and white can't avoid the Scandinavian!!! :) |
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| Jul-13-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: Why should white avoid the Scandinavian? |
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Oct-25-09
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| timhortons: this two choice move was played by very poor player and reflecting very poor game in the databse
http://www.chessgames.com//perl/exp... replay the two games.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
i was looking for move choices in my correspondence game and gameknot and discover this games. |
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