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Nov-20-05
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| Eric Schiller: <kriegspiel> The ECO code system is badly implemented and causes a lot of problems like this. As for the names, they are hierarchical, so it is perfectly OK to have a "Modern Defense" or "Modern Variation" of the Panov. Names are much better than ECO codes for classifying and Chessgames is working to implement a named opening classification. |
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| Nov-20-05 |
| Kriegspiel: <Eric Schiller> I just think of the Modern Defense as a completely different opening (e.g., A42). Also, doesn't the word "Defense" in both "Caro-Kann Defense" and "Modern Defense Mieses Line" refer to Black's portion of play here? So how can it be both? And what is the Mieses Line? Thanks,
Kriegspiel
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| Dec-08-05 |
| popski: This is somehow strange opening. I think you need good nerves for this. First you isolate your own pawn and after you don't have a feeling that you have some kind of initiative... First four moves looks so promising, but after everything start to melt and you have to watch on your own annoying isolated pawn all the time, because if you lost this one, you are in a big trouble. It's also hard to find weak points in a black position after casteling. I don't feel comfortable with this opening... |
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Dec-08-05
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| Eric Schiller: <Kriegspiel> The name of an opening refers to the position of the board, independent of color. By convention, most Defenses are Black openings, but the word "Attack" is used for both sides. The names are a hierarchy, just as in biology there are groups and subgroups, each of which has a name. |
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Dec-08-05
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| Eric Schiller: <popski> You seem to think isolated pawns are a bad thing. Tarrasch and many others have proven otherwise. Having an IQP means having plenty of mobility for pieces, and wide open attacking files. I play both sides of IQP positions, but prefer to have the isolated pawn, as in the Tarrasch Defense. |
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Dec-08-05
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| WannaBe: have to try this out next time <sueteus po 147> brings out the CK opening. =) |
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Dec-09-05
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| suenteus po 147: <WannaBe> I've had some good experience with the Panov-Botvinnik as black. In fact, I'm undefeated in it. Of course years of experience playing the QGD has helped, I think. |
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| Dec-09-05 |
| Averageguy: Hello, I was wondering as an aggressive player who dislikes opening theory which line is more for me as white, the main-line Caro-Kann or the Panov-Botvinnik attack? |
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Dec-09-05
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| Gypsy: <Averageguy> Panov. The feel of that is similar to lots of other IQP positions. And attacking players find the main-line quite anoying. |
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| Dec-09-05 |
| Averageguy: <Gypsy> Thanks for your reccomendation, I'll give it a go. However, I don't really agree that aggresive players get annoyed with the main-line. I've won some good games with it (best was a win against my 1988 rated club champ). |
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Dec-09-05
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| Gypsy: <Averageguy> If you are an attacking player, how can you go wrong following Alekhine (or Tal). Good luck! As for the main-line: My father played CK all his life to the great chagrin of his club- and tournament buddies. I am glad to hear that the main-line does not get under your skin; many an 1.e4 attacking player groans quietly when consenting to enter it for the umpteenth time. |
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| Dec-09-05 |
| Akavall: Funny, but I think exchange variation of Caro-Kann gives white a pretty good attack. While black has to move pawns on the Queen's side, white just sets up an attack. It is definitly good for someone who doesn't like theory. |
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Dec-09-05
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| Gypsy: <Akavall> Yes, you either get a Catalan- or Carlsbad pawn structure with collors reversed. It generally is a pleasant game for Black as long as he/she know what they are doing. For instance in the Carlsbad, as Black I would forego a minority attack on the Q-side in favor of f6 and e5. (Even without the f6, e5 brings about a rough equality.) |
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| Dec-10-05 |
| Akavall: If Black goes for g6 line, then there is no attack. My guess is that white should start playing on the queen's side, before Black can play f6, e5. If white just sits there black will get a really good play. Honestly, I am not sure what is a right plan for white, people play g6 line very rarely against me. |
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| Jun-11-06 |
| e4Newman: i love this as white, although I don't see the ck as much as other kp defenses as white, i always exchange and push c4
there are other openings i'll play white or black, such as ruy lopez, but not this one |
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| Aug-06-06 |
| soughzin: This looks more like a queen's gambit than most e4 stuff. I'd like to avoid all the normal caro stuff but do you think a solely e4 player would feel uncomfortable in the resulting positions? |
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Aug-06-06
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| euripides: <soughzin> I'm not an e4 player, but I wouldn't have thought so. The isolated queen's pawn positions are generally quite good for launching direct king's side attacks. |
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Dec-10-06
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| Karpova: <soughzin: This looks more like a queen's gambit than most e4 stuff. I'd like to avoid all the normal caro stuff but do you think a solely e4 player would feel uncomfortable in the resulting positions?>
That's why Karpov likes it so much. He plays the same stuff against 1.d4 |
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Dec-10-06
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| Eyal: <soughzin: This looks more like a queen's gambit than most e4 stuff> Or like a Nimzo-Indian - after 6.Nf3 Bb4. |
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Dec-10-06
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| whiskeyrebel: I'm really happy playing this as black. People who play this as white seem to expect that I'm going to crumble in fear of an attack. I'm cautious and work towards a superior endgame. My W-L ratio against players in the 1800-2200 range as black is good. There are some traps you need to prepare for if you play this as black though, uhh..and I'm not sure if I'd feel as confident playing somebody over 2200. Then again, I'd try it anyway. Plenty of GM'S are happy with blacks prospects. Book up, my C-K friends. |
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Apr-01-07
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| gambitfan: Opening of the day (01/04/2007) |
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| Apr-01-07 |
| Kwesi: Maybe its an April Fool because it actually could be a Nimzo Indian instead of a Caro-Kann. |
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Apr-09-07
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| gambitfan: This opening is very important for the theme of the ISOLANI (Isolated Pawn). Game Collection: ISOLANI |
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| Sep-15-07 |
| WTHarvey: Here are some crucial positions in miniature Panov-Botvinnik games: http://www.wtharvey.com/b14.html |
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| Jun-02-08 |
| Alphastar: I really don't like the lines starting with 5. ..e6. It's too passive for me I guess. I much prefer 5. ..Nc6, usually followed by 6. Nf3 Bg4. |
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