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| Dec-15-03 | | rochade18: Does anyone know where the name Caro-kann comes from? I think this is a very solid opening. Does it have some sharp lines for black? |
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| Dec-15-03 | | Kenkaku: Its name comes from the fact that it was first studied by Horatio Caro and Marcus Kann in 1886. |
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Dec-15-03
 | | karnak64: Sharp lines? Those belong to white, I think. I used to play this defence a lot, and did well with the B17 line in tournament play (no losses, a few wins, a lot of draws). I think this defence is for those willing to face sharp lines knowing there will be counterattacking possibilities and maybe a better pawn structure in the endgame -- if you get there. Somehow I always did. Your mileage may vary. |
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Dec-16-03
| | karnak64: For a specific example that shows what I point out in my last post, see Tal-Petrosian 1973 (sorry, I don't know how to put in game links). White has the initiative for the first 15 or so moves, but missteps, and the Black pieces are in position to do a lot of damage. |
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Dec-16-03
 | | Chessical: Tal vs Petrosian, 1973
<Karnak64> With Windows - left click the browser address. This will bring the address up in a blue block, and the copy option will be displayed. Copy it into your posting, as above. |
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Dec-16-03
 | | matey: In my version of Windows (98) the copy option is displayed only when I RIGHT click the browser address. |
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| Apr-06-04 | | jesterco12: I played a nice little opening trap against this the other day, so I thought I might post it up for others if you ever come across this. 1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 dxe4
4. Nxe4 Nd7
5. Bc4 Ngf6
6. Ng5 e6
7. Qe2 Bd6?
8. Nxf7 1-0
If the King takes, then Qxe6+ and mate is easy to find from there, and if the king doesn't take, white is up the exchange. |
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| Apr-06-04 | | ruylopez900: <Jesterco> Another cool trap from the diagram position is:  e2  f6 [normal developing move]
d6++!! The pawn is pinned.
Very interesting to catch people like that! (Unfortunately its a one time thing.) |
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| Aug-23-04 | | Dee Jay: <ruylopez900> No offence but Qe2 is abit dodgy because it cramps white and after black plays e6, all is good. Well, i've played alot of games against this Caro and there are many good responses to it. But i really enjoy 5.Bg5 with the move h6?? Nd6+. And after 5...Ngf6 Qd3 followed by 0-0-0 is even but there are heaps of nasty traps that black can fall into. This line is even if black plays correctly. |
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| Aug-31-04 | | tomh72000: What is this strange 5.Ng5 move I keep seeing? I really don't understand... |
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| Sep-01-04 | | Helloween: <tom72000>
5.Ng5 is the main line and the most aggressive move in the position, popularized by Tal in the 80's. The idea is that Black cannot kick the Knight back with  h7-h6 without a good amount of preparation first: Nunn vs Kiril Georgiev, 1988 and Tal vs Oll, 1986 are examples of White sacrificing on e6 to destroy Black because of a premature h7-h6 push. M Z Ali vs Westin, 1987 is an example of White sacrificing on f7 because Black didn't prepare the h7-h6 push thoroughly. In the main lines, White develops the other Knight to f3, and after h6 is finally played, he transfers the Knight on g5 to e4. |
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| Nov-30-04 | | EnglishOpeningc4: I like the ...Bf5 caro more than the ...Nd7 caro. If you are going to play the caro kann why would you close in the bishop on the first move? |
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| Nov-30-04 | | EnglishOpeningc4: By the way, are there any good books on the caro kann? The only one I could find is Gallagher's and that wasn't any good. |
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| Nov-30-04 | | azaris: <EnglishOpeningc4> The knight belongs on d7, where it supports the necessary break c5. The bishop outside the pawn formation is a hindrance anyway as its only purpose is to be harassed by White pawns and then to be traded for the opposing light-squared bishop. |
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| Nov-30-04 | | EnglishOpeningc4: I agree that the knight belongs on d7, but not before ...bf5. Plus as a french player i want to trade the light squared bishop as soon as possible, and the knight on g5 is a pain. |
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| Dec-01-04 | | azaris: <EnglishOpeningc4> Well, a certain car dealer from Russia might disagree with you. But seriously, both the Steinitz and the Classical Variation are completely playable. |
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| Dec-01-04 | | EnglishOpeningc4: I agree that they are both playable, but i think that the winawer is better than the steinitz if you are willing to have the weak bishop.And in some of the main lines the knight moves to f3 before ...c5 is even played. Ex: 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nd7 5 Ng5 Ngf6 6 Bd3 e6 7 N1f3 Bd6 8 Qe2 h6 9 Ne4 Nxe4 10 Qxe4 Nf6(10...c5 is playable here but usually the results are bad for black.) |
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| Feb-07-05 | | Bad Star: If anyone with Fritz or just superior skill could analyse the following, I'd appreciate it. Bad Star vs The Other Guy (rated 2000+)
90 min/game
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Qe2 e6 6. g3 Ngf6 7. Bg2 Nxe4
8. Qxe4 Nf6 9. Qd3 Qb6 10. Ne2 c5 11. Be3 Bd7 12. O-O Bc6 13. dxc5 Bxc5 14.
Bxc5 Qxc5 15. Bxc6+ Qxc6 16. Nd4 Qd7 17. Qb5 O-O-O 18. Rfd1 a6 19. Qc5+ Kb8
20. c4 h6 21. Qb6 Rc8 <1-0> |
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| Feb-09-05 | | Bad Star: What, nobody? Surely the game isn't THAT bad... |
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| Feb-09-05 | | azaris: <Bad Star> Here are my comments: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Qe2?!
I don't like this move. It's a trap for patzers, no one 2000+ will fall into it. You have impeded the king's bishop's development, prompting the slower plan g3 and Bg2. In the CK it's important to quickly take the space Black concedes, otherwise you will never break through his solid position. 5...e6
Locking in the queen's bishop. 5...Ndf6 is book and better. 6. g3 Ngf6 7. Bg2 Nxe4 8. Qxe4 Nf6
Black is pretty solid and you still haven't completed development, which is your only edge when White against the CK. I'd say it's equal here. 9. Qd3 Qb6 10. Ne2 c5?!
Opening things up with the king still in the center is risky. Black should have delayed this break for a while. 11. Be3 Bd7 12. O-O Bc6 13. dxc5! Bxc5
Good. Open up the game before Black gets a chance to develop. 14. Bxc5 Qxc5 15. Bxc6+ Qxc6 16. Nd4 Qd7 17. Qb5 O-O-O? Wrong side, I think. Safer was O-O.
18. Rfd1! a6
Of course. Black really should have chopped the queens off. 19. Qc5+ Kb8 20. c4 h6 21. Qb6 Rc8?? 1-0
Blunder, but Black was in big trouble already. |
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| Feb-09-05 | | Bad Star: Thank you for your comments, azaris. I agree with pretty much everything in your post. The reason I played 5.Qe2 wasn't the trap, obviously. I just wanted to get my opponent 'out of book' and for some reason remembered this move (I usually play the Panov-Botvinnik against the CK so I was in somewhat uncharted waters here). |
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| Aug-13-05 | | Greginctw: <By the way, are there any good books on the caro kann? The only one I could find is Gallagher's and that wasn't any good. > why do you say this? What is wrong with it? From what i read it has recieved good reveiws from amateurs and masters alike. I purchased it online and it hasnt arrived yet, but i am curious as to why you did not like it. |
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Aug-13-05
 | | Gypsy: <Greginctw> It is a fine opening book, I think. My father has played Caro-Kann for all his life. After I got him Gallagher's book for his 72 birthday, he pretty much shelved all his other Caro-Kann references. He plays at about ELO 2000. |
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| Sep-13-05 | | aw1988: By the way, why is it the Steinitz defense? |
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Oct-01-05
| | Gypsy: <aw1988: By the way, why is it the Steinitz defense?> Beats me, I always knew it as the Nimzowitch variation. That is what Pachman and Panov-Estrin called it in the old days. A A Smorodsky vs Nimzowitsch, 1913 |
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