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|Feb-21-06|| ||Sneaky: <I play 5 Nxc6. Is this a good strategy? I see only 13 games, so I'm guessing it isn't good against very good players, or it just hasn't been used.> Black wants to play ...d5 to get a good game, after Nxc6 bxc6 it's pretty much guaranteed that Black will get to play ...d5 without much fuss. I wouldn't say that Black comes out better, but it certainly doesn't give Black anything to worry about.|
|Feb-21-06|| ||azaris: It's likely that 5.Nxc6 is no better or worse than 5.Nc3 e5 6.Nxc6. One idea would be to refrain from Nc3 to get in c2-c4 first, but after 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bd3 e5, I don't see what the point of c4 is, exactly.|
|Jul-10-06|| ||blingice: Vishy looks like he's rather good at this opening: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...(B33)+as+White+.|
|Nov-27-06|| ||Open Defence: <Sicilian Sveshnikov>|
after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8Na3 b5 9.Nab1 strange that there are not many black wins in this.. you have to advance upto move 12 in the opening explorer until it branches to a line in which black has won some games in the db
from here Opening Explorer
|Apr-25-07|| ||Ryan Razo: Maybe it was just quite unfortunate that the Lasker-Pelikan variation was not given a separate ECO code. It has been shown that B33 has many possibilities.|
|Jan-06-08|| ||keypusher: Not sure this belongs here, but OE thinks it does. This is an interesting game against <whatthefat> on gameknot. I was White.|
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 e5
6. Ndb5 d6
7. Nd5 Nxd5
8. exd5 Nb8
7. Nd5 seems like a good way to avoid the heavily booked lines and lead to a quieter, more closed position.
9. c4 Be7
10. Be2 a6
11. Nc3 O-O
12. O-O Bf5
I think this is all book, but ...Bf5 seeems questionable to me. Black wants to play ...f5, and the bishop move doesn't help him do that. On the other hand, where else is the bishop supposed to go?
13. Be3 Nd7
14. Rc1 Rc8
15. Qd2 Bg6
16. b4 h6
Black's last move seems like a waste of time. ...Bg6 is also slow, but seems necessary to get out of the way of the f-pawn.
17. c5! f5?
17...dxc5 18. d6 Bg5 19. Nd5 Bxe3 20. Qxe3 gives White a clear advantage. But now he is nearly winning by force.
18. c6! f4
18...bxc6 19. dxc6 Nf6 (19...Rxc6?? 20. Qd5+) 20. Bxa6 f4 21. Bxc8 Qxc8 22. Bb6 gives White a winning advantage.
19. cxd7 Qxd7
19....fxe3 20. dxc8/Q exd2 21. Qxd8 dxc1/Q 22. Qxf8+ Kxf8 23. Rxc1 wins.
A piece down with no compensation, Black resigned here. What's that you say? He didn't resign? Hmmm...
20. ... f3!
21. gxf3 Rf4
22. Rfe1? Qh3!
As my opponent pointed out afterwards, the strongest defense is Kh1 and Rg1 followed by Rg2, when White's king is impregnable. This never occurred to me. But I thought I had it all worked out...
23. Bf1 Qxf3
24. Ne2 Rxc1
This loses! White's only hope is 25. Qxc1, where 25...Rg4+ 26. Ng3 Be4 27. Qc8+ Kh7 28. Qxg4 Qxg4 29. Rxe4 staves off mate and leaves White with three pieces for the queen. I avoided this because I thought I had a better defense, but it turned out there was a pretty big hole in it.
My opponent showed me a stronger line for Black afterwards than the one given above that he thought would have ended in a draw, but I don't remember it. <whatthefat>, are you around?
25. ... Rg4+
26. Ng3 Be4!
With dawning horror, I realized that, since my knight was pinned, I had no defense against Qh1#. I played 27. Rc3 and resigned.
Sort of embarrassing to go from a win to being mated by force in six short moves, but still, a pretty funny game, even if the last laugh was on me...
|Jan-07-08|| ||whatthefat: <keypusher>
It was quite an amusing game. I obviously got into a lot of trouble in the opening, and was lucky to whip up an attack.
12...Bf5 was following Juan Morgado's recommendation in NIC, intending to follow Campora vs Illescas-Cordoba, 2003 where Black stood better but made some terrible endgame errors. Of course, 12...f5 is good too, but it makes the most sense against 10.Bd3, when Black may later hope to play ...f5 and ...e4. As you can probably tell, I was very much hoping to follow Illescas-Cordoba's plan of ...h6 and ...Bg5, but it is no longer applicable after the strong 16.b4, and I was rightfully punished with 17.c5!
Realizing the difficulty of my position, I decided to throw caution to the wind and launch an attack with ...f5-f4. It is of course not sound, but since I found it difficult to come up with a defence for White, I hoped the same might apply to my opponent. The refutation of the attack was in fact 22.Kh1!
25.Rxc1 was an unfortunate blunder, and I had expected something like 25.Qxc1 Be4 26.Ng3 Bxd5 27.Qc8+ Kf7 28.Qh3 Rg4 29.Bg2 Qxg2+ 30.Qxg2 Bxg2 31.Kxg2
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which I expected to probably draw with either 31...Rxb4 or maybe 31...h5.
|Jan-13-08|| ||Ron: The following is a position which has occurred from the Sveshnikov:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bf4 e5 8.Bg5 a6 9.Na3 b5 10.Nd5 Be7 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.c3 Ne7 13.Nxf6 gxf6: |
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Here one of the common moves that White makes is 14. Bd3. A rare move is 14.Qh5. Qh5, though, does not seem to be bad at all, and might have value for one prepared in this variation.
|Jan-13-08|| ||tpstar: <Ron> Using the Sveshnikov move order (2 ... Nc6 & omit 7. Bf4 e5) to save a move pair, the most common response to 11 ... Ne7 12. Nxf6+ gxf6 is 13. c4 Opening Explorer although 13. Nc2 scores better, followed by 13. Be2. One db game with 13. Qh5 = B Lengyel vs M Pavel, 2006|
I would think 12. Nxe7 is more thematic, helping White maintain control of d5, yet Black scores great in that line = Opening Explorer
|Apr-17-08|| ||freeman8201: i heard this is the new rave. the Sveshnikov avoids the English attack?|
|Oct-02-08|| ||Cactus: What's interesting is that, at this moment, 9.Bxf6 and 9.Nd5 are tied in the Opening Explorer|
|Oct-02-08|| ||Cactus: Both have 1 527 games.|
|Apr-03-09|| ||returnoftheking: I am looking for games with the theme of Ra1-a3 and switch to the kingside in the Svesh. I think there must be a game of Ponomariov with this theme but I can't find it. Anyway if people have suggestion's of games with this theme plz let me know.
|Apr-03-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: I don't like this opening. Capice?|
|Apr-24-09|| ||ruelas007: some time ago i played a game against a not so bad player but i totaly kicked his a** IMHO (ok that was sarcasm) the game was e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 (here i thought "well now im gonna play against the sveshnikov for the 1st time in my life in an official game but...) he played Qb6, i knew this move was made sometimes but its made without having played Nf6. I played a realy classical attack and went on to win a game someone called my best game so far, if anyone knows about games with Qb6 in the position mentioned above please post em to see what would be a model plan against that opening
here goes the whole notation:
Ruelas,D - ******,D [B33]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Qb6 6.Nb3 d6 7.Be2 g6 8.0-0 Bg7 9.Be3 Qc7 10.f4 0-0 11.Qd2 Ng4 12.Bxg4 Bxg4 13.f5 Ne5 14.Bh6 Qb6+ 15.Kh1 Nc4 16.Qc1 Bxh6 17.Qxh6 Qe3 18.Qh4 Nxb2 19.Nd5 Qxe4 20.Nxe7+ Kg7 21.Rae1 Qa4 22.f6+ Kh8 23.Qh6 Rg8 24.Rf4 Qd7 25.h3 1-0
|Aug-11-09|| ||muwatalli: in this line i win as white often, but theoretically wouldn't this just be a sort of scotch game where white gets the c pawn rather than the e pawn which is better for black? i am wondering what the differences are. and what side they are better for?|
|Aug-11-09|| ||MaxxLange: Is it true that Sveshnikov himself only plays this system now, and not the "main" Sveshnekov lines?|
|Jul-25-10|| ||rapidcitychess: In the Sveshnikov after 10...f5 is the 11.Bxb5 sac sound?|
|Sep-02-10|| ||rapidcitychess: A nice rook ending in the Sveshnikov.
[Event "ICC 30 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[Opening "Sicilian: Pelikan, Chelyabinsk variation"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Nd5 Be7 10. Bxf6 Bxf6 11. Be2 Bb7 12. O-O O-O 13. Qd2 Bg5 14. Qd3
Ne7 15. Nxe7+ Bxe7 16. Rad1 Qd7 17. c4 Rfd8 18. cxb5 axb5 19. Qxb5 Qxb5 20.
Nxb5 Bxe4 21. a3 d5 22. f3 Bg6 23. Nc7 Ra5 24. Bd3 Bxd3 25. Rxd3 Rc5 26. Na6
Rc6 27. Nb4 Bxb4 28. axb4 Rb6 29. Rfd1 d4 30. Rb3 Rdb8 31. Kf2 Rxb4 32. Rxb4
Rxb4 33. Rd2 Kf8 34. Ke2 Ke7 35. Kd3 f5 36. Rc2 Kd6 37. g3 Rb3+ 38. Kd2 e4
39. fxe4 fxe4 40. Ke1 d3 41. Rd2 e3 42. Rd1 Ke5 White resigns 0-1
|Sep-02-10|| ||MaxxLange: <In the Sveshnikov after 10...f5 is the 11.Bxb5 sac sound?>|
it depends on what you mean by "sound" :)
I think, yes, it is sound. It leads to a playable game, with winning chances, and good drawing chances, even if Black plays very well
That said, I think it is a dubious choice for practical play, because it is a complete tactical mess, and has been heavily analyzed. You can lose by being out-booked too easily.
|Sep-02-10|| ||rapidcitychess: <MaxxLange> First off, it's funny to see both of us former non-premium with avatars.|
The main reason I was wondering is because I'm taking the Sveshnikov up.
I like it, it's juicy and double-edged, just as I like it.
|Sep-02-10|| ||MaxxLange: [rcc] afaik, the main idea you need to know is:
Black's counterplay depends on this weird Rook lift
|Sep-02-10|| ||MaxxLange: 11 Bd3 is the main line, I think. Now, if 11..fxe4? then the Bxb5 sac is very strong. Or so I have read!
11 Bxb5!? at least gets rid of White's worries about where to put his KB! I have tried Be2, g3 and Bg2 (too slow)|
|Sep-03-10|| ||rapidcitychess: <MaxxLange> Thank you.|
|Sep-01-11|| ||Robert Hill: In this Variation, i think playing e5 is a weakness if white plays Nf3. I always win the d pawn a few move later.|
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