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|Mar-09-03|| ||ksadler: I played a game today that went 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Bc4, and I played 3. .. d5. Obviously it's a crap Sicilian, but is that the proper way to go? |
|Mar-09-03|| ||Spitecheck: Got to be atleast equalising doesn't it, Black's undeveloped but his central pawn structure is already up and running. Perhaps white can hinder black's developement with the exchange in the center and than Queen + Bishop + etc, but there's nothing ominous. ? Actually you have a bit of a French Exchange structure where white has forgotten to move his pawns :). |
|May-20-03|| ||luckyzach: Here's a chess game I started (as black) and I think I eventuallly lost: 1.) e2-e4 c7-c5, 2.) g1-f3 d7-d6, 3.) f1-c4 b8-c6, 4.) b1-c3|
I always get burned by white's move Bc4! Soon after Bc4, white attacks the pawn at f7 and things get totally screwed-up. I like starting out with the Sicilian and moving towards a dragon variation if possible; does anyone know how I'm supposed to deal with this?
|Jan-05-04|| ||youngplayer11: has any body heard of 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5?i saw it in the |
www.chesspublishing.com open sicilian forum and wanted to know if anybody had info
all information is apriciated
|Jan-05-04|| ||Dick Brain: <ksadler> I would harass the bishop first with the b-pawn with 3...a6 (with the intention of 4...b5) and then if 4 a4, then I'd probably go 4...d5. This sequence prevents White from solving the position of his bishop with 4. Bb5+.|
<youngplayer11> 3...Bc5 seems to be a rarely-played but an OK move for Black. There is no refutation that I am aware of. Trying to pressure the weakened d6 square after 4 Nb3 Bb6 5 Nc3 Nge7 6 Bf4 just doesnt look that threatening. Normally Bc5 has been seen one move later with 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 e6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 a6 5 Bd3 Bc5 where it immediately threatens to win a piece.
|Jan-05-04|| ||morphyvsfischer: Is there a better move than 2 ... Nf6 for 2 Qh5?? I think its a little too loosening so i could use some help. Thanks:) |
|Jan-05-04|| ||Bears092: 2...e6 should work.
It defends the pawn and stops any possible cheap mate threats at f7, which could be especially useful to look out for in blitz.
|May-24-04|| ||trogdor: Does anyone know what to do as white after this? 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 e6 3 d4 d5
I lost a game as white against this move. |
|May-24-04|| ||Lawrence: <trogdor>, have you checked Opening Explorer? |
|Sep-08-04|| ||refutor: any opinions on 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3 d5. can i get away with 4.e5 doing for an advanced french? the opening explorer gives 4. ...Nc6 as the most popular move (which transposes to the advanced french) but 4. ...d4 as an alternative. that can't be that strong is it? |
|Sep-08-04|| ||e4Newman: <refutor> I've played the advance against the French, but something looks different here.|
4...Nc6 5.d4 initially seems problematic for black. Where does he place the KB or KN? And I think 4...d4 will open things up pretty wide, unlike most French games. But that's just my initial thought (my rating is pretty low as well :), I'm going to look at it some more though.
|Oct-02-04|| ||refutor: today i got 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3 g5?! any ideas on the correct continuation? i played 4.d4 and got a decent position, but should i have played the kieseritzky like 4.h4 or is that too weakening? any ideas? |
|Oct-03-04|| ||Joshka: <refutor> 4. d4 looks right...my chessbase gives only 1 master game with that move...did your opponent play 4...g4? |
|Jan-07-05|| ||drukenknight: Here is an amusing one in the Keres Sicilian that transposed from the French w/ Nf3, similar to what has been mentioned above. I am having trouble figuring out which games are in this database since it usually comes out of the sicilian and using opening explorer I run out of games if I start it French. For instance there is Rogulj v Bellin game on chesslab that I havent found yet on this database....|
Apparently, this is a pretty good opening for black so it may be worth a look. I think there were about 20+ games on the chesslab base w/ the position after 4 or 5 moves, w/ white winning 10 and black 7, not bad and some of the better lines seem to be very good for black. Again still looking for games in this database...
1. e4 e6
2. Nf3 c5
3. b4 cxb4
4. a3 Nc6
5. axb4 Nxb4 (apparently a novelty)
6. Ba3 Qc7
7. c3 Nc6
8. Bxf8 Kxf8
9. Bd3 Nf6
10. O-O d6
11. Na3 g5
12. Nxg5 Ne5
13. Be2 Rg8
14. f4 Ng6
15. Nb5 Qc5+
16. d4 Qb6
17. e5 dxe5
18. fxe5 Nxe5
19. Qc1 Ned7
20. Qa3+ Ke8
21. Nd6+ Kd8
22. Ndxf7+ Kc7
23. Rab1 Qc6
24. Bb5 Qd5
25. Bc4 Qxc4??
|Jan-07-05|| ||drukenknight: Addenda to above, there were 20+ gmes in the chesslab base after white's 4th. The line seems pretty good for black with a good winning percentage and some of the other games were easily improved upon. I.e. fter: |
1. e4 e6
2. Nf3 c5
3. b4 cxb4
After 4....Nc6, there were only half dozen, w/ black winning 3 and white only 2.
So this move order might be interesting to use, when you play French as black and he tries to go sicilian and wing gambit.
|Jan-07-05|| ||azaris: <drukenknight> I thought the Keres Sicilian was 1. e4 c5 2. Ne2. Your game looks like a mix-and-match between the Sicilian and French Wing Gambits, with the usual powerful central play for the rook pawn. I love the knights slicing and dicing Black open like a fish. |
|Jan-07-05|| ||drukenknight: azeri: I was using Kere's name to suggest the wing gambit, there could very well be a keres var. named after 2 Ne3 but I was referring to that wing gambit that he had pioneered>|
I thought it was named after him in some books. You'll note the earliest game in the chesslab database I think is Kere's but I'm not sure if the move order is different or something.
I'll try to pull the game to explain what I am saying.
|Jan-07-05|| ||drukenknight: Azari look at the following game w/ 3 b4, in this sicilian move order; Kere's was first to play 3 b4 according to chesslab database, it is vs. Remelgas, correspondence (!) 1934. So it would be proper to put Kere's name in the variation above, since namely the same position can be reached in the game below if on move 4, white plays a3, everyone nowadays plays d4 (to be sure). Here is the game: |
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. b4 cxb4
4. d4 d5
5. e5 Nc6
6. a3 bxa3
7. c3 a6
8. Nxa3 Bd7
9. Bd3 f5
10. g4 g6
11. gxf5 exf5
12. Qe2 Be6
13. Ng5 Qe7
14. Nb5 and 1-0 although the follow up is far from clear. Have no idea if this is in the database.
|Jan-08-05|| ||Valiantangel: I think 7... a6 is not a good move.I spend sometime anaylsing two of the possible 3 moves f5 and f6,the third Nge7.7...f5 can give black a good game. |
|Jan-08-05|| ||azaris: <drukenknight> The same position can be reached through Wing Gambit proper (1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. d4 d5 4. e5 Nc6 5. Nf3), which Alekhine was already playing at the time:|
[Event "Sombor sim"]
1.e4 c5 2.b4 cxb4 3.d4 d5 4.e5 Nc6 5.a3 Qb6 6.Be3 Bf5 7.Nf3 e6 8.a4 Rc8
9.Be2 Nge7 10.Nbd2 Na5 11.Bb5+ Nec6 12.0-0 a6 13.Bd3 Bxd3 14.cxd3 Be7 15.h4 h6 16.h5 f5 17.exf6 Bxf6 18.Ne5 Ne7 19.Qg4 b3 20.Rab1 Rf8 21.Rfe1 Kd8 22.Bf4 Nf5 23.Qg6 Qxd4 24.Nf7+ Kd7
25.Be5 Bxe5 26.Nxe5+ Ke7 27.Nxb3 Nxb3 28.Rxb3 b5 29.axb5 Rc2 30.Nc6+ Rxc6 31.bxc6 1-0
Since the Keres Variation has already been taken, I'd call this line the Alekhine-Keres Variation of the Wing Gambit.
|Jan-08-05|| ||drukenknight: oh I see. Kere's played it in response to ...e6 while alek. started it a move earlier w/o regard to blacks central pawns. I was looking at early ...e6 var. because I was starting out as French. Lots of transpositions here.. |
|Jan-08-05|| ||Valiantangel: Alek,played b4 to get strong central play,it is slightly different from ur keres-sicilian(whatever u wanna call it)in respect to the light black bishop.In kere-variation it is enclosed while in Alek game his opponent developed it outside.Alex opponent had a good game until he blew it with 16...f5. on the 24th move he missed Rxf7.|
I feel this variations like many others r playable only if u r really well prepared!
|Apr-20-05|| ||Knight13: I play this kind of Sicilian.I would play like this: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bd3 Qc7 7. O-O Nf6 8. Kh1 a4(to prevent the eventually b5) and so on. I like to play this kind of sicilian. |
|Apr-20-05|| ||BiLL RobeRTiE: Are you fluent in English? |
|Apr-21-05|| ||BiLL RobeRTiE: I mean, sorry, but you write like my AP Statistics teacher's 4 year-old son. |
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