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|Jun-09-05|| ||bomb the bishop: the thing is that for one it generally respresents a psychological advantage for white as it does not get into the sicilian main variations and this is seen with impotence for black, on the other hand positionally it gives advantage to black, comparing it to other variations|
|Jun-09-05|| ||hintza: <bomb the bishop> Of course, if you decide on the Bb5 lines then you would still need something against 2...e6. I don't know what you would do really.|
|Jun-09-05|| ||bomb the bishop: <hintza> that is my second question at the moment actually, haha good thing that we are coordinating at the same time, how can one avoid the sicilian when 2..e6 is played? well, I'm trying to figure it out, if anyone does already know, then please post it, thankyou|
|Jun-09-05|| ||Everett: <btb> I'm guessing white can play 3.Nc3 and see what black does. Of course black can play 3...a6. What should white do then... Probably a closed Sicilian then, as a6 for black is a wasted move. Perhaps a whole system for white can be developed without having to go into the open Sicilian.|
To 3.Nc3, black could also play 3...Nc6.. After 4.Bb5 Nfe7 I don't see much advantage coming for white. however.
|Jun-09-05|| ||e4Newman: This is why i've switched to 2...e6 lines. To avoid mainline theory, white needs to adopt a closed system via 3.Nc3 or 3.c4, although there's still a lot of flexibility for transpositions but it's up to white.|
|Jun-09-05|| ||bomb the bishop: <Everett> thanks for the insight, looks like I will go for the main line against 2...e6, but against 2...Nc6 I will play Bb5 and against d6, I will try the g3 fianchetto variation, all done with the Cameleon Sicilian which is by playing 2.Nc3 instead, simply with the idea of confusing my oponents as much as I can and try to get a psychological advantage out of it|
|Jun-09-05|| ||Everett: <Btb> don't lose yourself in the process ;-)|
|Jun-09-05|| ||bomb the bishop: lol, well I'll be sure to practice it, i actually hope that my rival will be the one that will lose himself in the moves, so I'll have to revise it a couple of times|
|Jun-09-05|| ||aw1988: Actually, this line isn't as bad as e4 c5 nf3 nc6 bb5. At least the check allows me to play Bd7 Bxd7+ Qxd7 and get the kind of game I enjoy.|
|Jun-09-05|| ||BiLL RobeRTiE: Really? Statistics would indicate that Bb5 works better as a response to Nc6. (It seems to make more positional sense as well, forcing Black to either double the c-pawns or else waste time worrying about it.)|
|Jun-09-05|| ||Everett: Both are positional, as sited above. After Bxd7+ can come c4, with a good bishop and two knights in a closed position.|
|Jun-09-05|| ||ongyj: From what I can see 3.Bb5+ is a great move both subjectively and objectively speaking. |
Firstly it allows White to simplify and saves White from even bothering to know(or mug?) the Najdorf and/or Dragon systems. In that aspect White has already won, avoiding probably tons of preparation work which Black spent. Also, this means that when 2...d6 is concerned White can spend all his efforts on 3.Bb5+ and enjoy a superior preparation advantage whereas Black is less likely to prepare 3.Bb5+ so well, since Black'd probably prepared Najdorf and/or Dragon better(again, White needs much less effort compared to Black).
Next White retains the initative despite the fact of returning a tempo to Black (3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Nxd7...) As mentioned before White may choose to form up strong central advanced pawns which Black is helpless about it. One thing to note is that I feel Black isn't in such bad shape, with no weaknesses but nevertheless there are different plans White may adopt. For instance, as White I'll rather work on the pawn structures considering the dark square Bishops left on the board and go for 5.b3 with obvious plans of Bb2, and choose not to get central pawns at all and hold the position with d3, Nbd2 ectera. Looks like a typical closed Sicilian?
Regarding the aspects of boring games I find it simply ridiculous. (Really didn't mean to sound so mean, I apologise if anyone finds it offensive) I mean in this particular opening only a pawn and a minor piece are captured off the board, and the game is stil well alive. Is it ture that the position is dull, or is it that the participants of the game makes it dull? The position is not even symmetrical(I enjoy symmetry as White and again does not understand why people hate symmetry so much:) but if dullness of an opening is concerned I think the mainlines of Petrov's defence must be #1.
Afraid to face particular variations of the Sicilian? Then you should consider anything else but 1.e4. But that'll mean your depriving yourself 1/4 of a choice for White's favourite first move(1.c4, 1.d4 1.e4 and 1.Nf3) and a great learning/experiemtal environment since 1.e4 openings are very different from the others...
Hope to receive feedbacks, criticisms in order to improve. Thanks:)
|Jun-10-05|| ||Everett: <ongyi> Agree with most of it, especially the "boring" quality of it. Thanks for the input.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||refutor: <...e6 sicilian> why not 3.c3 and get some kind of french line.|
|Jun-17-05|| ||ongyj: <refutor> that seems another good anti-Sicilian choice! Since we'd come to this topic I'll post this question that I've been pondering. In this position :1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3 d5 4.e5 d4... which side is better and any offers of continuation? |
Thanks for the guidance!
|Jan-04-07|| ||madlydeeply: i like the Bb5 sicilian...sicilian players suddenly have to play a central game, then they cry and cry and after I BEAT THEIR A** they cry some more! HAH!|
|Jan-04-07|| ||another italian tony: I personally play only e4 at the moment.... I've taken to playing the closed sicilian with 2. Nc3, 3. f4 and 4. Bb5 as well in there at my local club when given the chance. Take a look at Lawrence Day's B21 and B23 games... for fun.|
I play 3. Nc3 against the Petrov and if black plays Nc6, you can transpose to a Scotch game or Guoco Piano as well away from the borrring Petrov.
|Mar-17-07|| ||legija: this is a great opening,believe me people...it is extremly logical when you think of it...in my tournament practice i noticed that nobody likes to play against it,it gives black minimum play,wlile white has fast development,and positional pluses...|
|Mar-17-07|| ||SirBruce: The thing is, this opening has far, far less success than B31, where the bishop pins the knight on c6. Black has many more options, such as exchanging bishops instead.|
|Mar-18-07|| ||legija: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.B:d7 Q:d7 5.c4.....this variation is solid as steel...blacks play has no future...while white plays on the light squares...and thats the main continuation to 3.Bb5+...|
|Mar-19-07|| ||SirBruce: 5.c4 does seem to be the move to make, but after that the opening appears to be very drawish, although I agree black's chances of winning might seem slim. And the Sicilian seems to be made for draws, so I'm more interested in better lines against it for white.|
|Jan-29-11|| ||Lennonfan: After reading the above posts(admittedly all old)i think that unless your a super GM with valuable points or perhaps money at stake,then playing for a draw in chess just ruins the game...if you can turn a loss into a draw then fine,go for it thats common sense and of course skill,but to just play for a draw is as tal said"a crime"....i never play to draw with the white or black pieces,and the most exciting players in history haven't either...,maybe im too "exciting" for chess!!!! Perhaps whats more likely is id prefer a morphy or a tal to a karpov or a kramnik....certainly wont be playing for a bore draw either way...anyway most of you above who posted probably aren't at cgdotcom no more so im hopefuly talking to myself as this is not up for discussion!!!!!|
|Feb-28-12|| ||Penguincw: I've heard this opening was also called the "Moscow" Variation. Is that true?|
|Feb-28-12|| ||whiteshark: Yes, <3.Bb5+> is known as the Moscow Variation or the Canal–Sokolsky Attack.|
|Jun-05-12|| ||Jacob Arnold: To avoid the Sicilian against 2. ...e6, my personal favorite is to play 3. d3, which transposes into a reversed King's Indian with a position slightly favorable for white (in my opinion). Bobby Fischer played some excellent games in this variation early in his career, such as his game against Sherwin in the New Jersey Open Championship of 1957.|
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