|Dec-29-03|| ||AdrianP: "Ree asked Fischer about the infamous story of how Steinitz believed he could give odds to God. Fischer whose interest in Steinitziana was well known replied that no one could give odds to the Almighty. He added: 'But with White I should be able to draw against Him. I play 1 e4 and if we have a Ruy, the position would be balanced. I could never lose.' Then Fischer became concerned - what if God played 1 ... c5? But he soon brightened up. 'No, no then I play  Bc4 and I'm better', he said, 'So what can He do?'" (Bobby Fischer Rediscovered, Andy Soltis p. 256). |
|Dec-29-03|| ||refutor: <if we have a ruy...i could never lose> i don't know about never, but he certainly did have an impressive record v. it...out of 123 career games playing white v. the ruy lopez, here are his losses...|
|Mar-29-04|| ||ruylopez900: This could transpose from the Scheveningen Variation or the Classical Variation. |
|Mar-29-04|| ||OneBadDog: This is a great opening. I can't stand all of those insipid anti-Sicilians. |
|Mar-29-04|| ||SicilianDragon: Perhaps if you have Fischer tactical prowess and feel for this opening it can be really good, but 6...Qb6 (probably best as if Black can play this and displace White's Nd4 it is usually a sign that he has equalized) looks much better. However, even if Black does play 6...Nc6 he still should be okay (note that in this database Black has won more games than White). There are very few variations of the Sicilians (except for the Dragon) where White scores well statistically with an early Bc4. |
|Mar-29-04|| ||OneBadDog: I know about the statistics. I'm just talking about my personal preferences. Objectively speaking, the Richter-Rauzer gives White much better chances than the Sozin. |
|Mar-29-04|| ||SicilianDragon: So does the English Attack |
|Jun-06-04|| ||OneBadDog: The advent of chess computers and chess databases has meant the demise of certain openings in top-level play. It's a shame, because openings like the Sozin created so many brilliancies for both Black and White. |
|Jun-07-04|| ||drukenknight: Umm, which openings are no longer played due to computers? If anything, I would think that computers have resurrected many lines thought to be unsound. |
|Jun-07-04|| ||OneBadDog: The Sozin doesn't seem to get as much attention as it used to. My favorite line of the Sozin is the Velimirovic attack seems to have been played out. |
|Sep-12-04|| ||Miss Ter: whats the velimirovic attack |
|Sep-13-04|| ||tpstar: <Miss Ter> The Sicilian Sozin with Bc4, Be3, Qe2 & 0-0-0 for White, usually leading to a lively game featuring attacks on both wings. Velimirovic vs Csom, 1974 |
|Sep-13-04|| ||Miss Ter: <tpstar>
|Jan-16-05|| ||hjsukthankar: A game of mine with the Fischer-Sozin (I was white):
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. Bc4 e6 6. Nc3 Nf6 7.f3 a6 8. Bb3 Be7 9. Be3 O-O 10. Qd2 Nxd4?! 11. Bxd4 b5 12. a3 Bb7 13. O-O-O e5 14. Be3 Bc6?! 15. g4 a5 16. Nb1?! Qd7 17. h4 Rfd8 18. h5 Kf8 19. g5 Ng8 20. g6 fxg6 21. hxg6 h6 22. Bxh6 Bf6 23. Bg5 Qe7 24. Rh8 d5 25. Bxf6 Qxf6 26. exd5 Bb7 27. d6 Rxd6 28. Qxd6+ Qxd6 29. Rxd6 Ke7 30. Rb6 Bxf3 31. Rxg8 Rxg8 32. Bxg8 1 - 0
|Jun-11-06|| ||WannaBe: Amazing, black has 43%+ winning percentage.|
|Jun-11-06|| ||ganstaman: <WannaBe: Amazing, black has 43%+ winning percentage.> Overall, yes. But if white plays 7.Be3, the numbers are in favor of white: 38.5% white wins, 31.9% draws, 29.7% black wins.|
Though we should go deeper still. With 7...Bd7, black regains the lead, but it's only a 16 game sample size. All other moves seem to give white the advantage of percentages. Still, I can't say that the position looks bad for black really.
|Aug-02-06|| ||gambitfan: By transposition of moves, there is a high probability for me to reach Fischer Sozin...|
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 (correspondence chess)
Number of games in database: 480
Years covered: 1883 to 2006
White wins 31.7%
Black wins 41.2%
I should have then 41.2% winning chances (with Black) and my White opponent should have only 31.7% winning chances (27.1% draws)
It sounds OK !...
|Aug-02-06|| ||gambitfan: This Fischer Sozin attack does not seem so efficient :|
Veniamin Sozin who is the "inventor" of this attack is unable to win with "his" own attack neither against Alexander Ilyin-Zhenevsky ( V Sozin vs Ilyin-Zhenevsky, 1931 ) nor against Ilia Abramovich Kan ( V Sozin vs Kan, 1931 )...
Robert James Fischer who is supposed to have made this attack "popular" is as well unable to win with it neither against Efim Geller ( Fischer vs Geller, 1962 ) nor against Viktor Korchnoi ( Fischer vs Korchnoi, 1962 )
Winning chances given by the Opening Explorer : 6. Bc4 213
33.3% white win
37.1% black win
|Aug-02-06|| ||keypusher: Looks like Fischer did OK with it overall.
|Aug-02-06|| ||Gypsy: <gambitfan> See Boleslavsky vs Aronin, 1949 regarding some info on "Sozin".|
|Apr-15-07|| ||soughzin: Sicilian Dragon I think you are a little bit confused on the move orders. 6...Qb6 seems to be incorrect here. This doesn't boot the knight from d4 since the knight isn't on c6 yet. If 5...Nc6 is played (classical sicilian) then it's a different story. White can play 7.Ndb5 or 7.Be3 there but black gets equality with careful play. The difference now being black has taken time to play e6, so white will enjoy this to make more threats. |
I agree that with 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd 4.Nxd Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bc4 Qb6 is black's best move though. I think I'll post more on that page later.
|Jan-13-11|| ||Lennonfan: This opening really peaked in the 50's and early 60's then slumped to pre 40's standards afterwards!!! Does anyone know why?? Is this now an opening thats been proven unsound?? Apart from the kings gambit iv never seen such a fall in popularity,not that im an expert on a variety of openings please understand!|
|Jan-13-11|| ||jmactas: <Lennonfan>
Instead of ...6 c6 Black can play ...6 b6 and it defeats the purpose the whole opening.
|Jan-13-11|| ||Lennonfan: <jmactas> thanks mate,i were generally puzzled by the slump,and appreciate the tip...like i say im no expert on openings except the queens gambit all variations,and the french as black...thats about the extent of my expertise on openings even tho im a fairly good player...but il defo take a look at this opening...cheers buddy,much appreciated|
|Jan-13-13|| ||Karpova: Evolution in Chess Theory:
Averbakh - Taimanov in round 21 of Zurich Candidates (1953)
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Black continues 9...Be7 10.f4 Na5 11.Qf3! <Averbakh's innovation> 11...b5 12.e5 Bb7 13.Qg3 dxe5 14.fxe5 Nh5 15.Qh3 Qxe5? 16.Bxe6!! and 1-0 after 36 moves.
Link: Averbakh vs Taimanov, 1953
Keres - Taimanov in round 29 of Zurich Candidates (1953)
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Now Black played 9...Na5 <instead of 9...Be7> 10.f4 b5 11.f5 <Now we see the difference as 11.Qf3 Bb7 denies White the break e5>. The game ended 1/2-1/2 after 37 moves.
Link: Keres vs Taimanov, 1953
Bannik - Taimanov at the Soviet Chess Championship 1954:
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Black continues 9...Be7 <Back to start! After enough time to analyze, Taimanov finds the right plan to counter Averbakh's innovation> 10.f4 Na5 11.Qf3 b5 12.e5 Bb7 13.Qg3 dxe5 14.fxe5 Nh5 15.Qh3 Nxb3 <Here comes the improvement, getting rid of the bishop aiming at e6> 16.Nxb3 Qxe5 17.Na5 b4! and 0-1 in 59 moves.
Link: Bannik vs Taimanov, 1954