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|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Sorry, upon closer investigation,
Maybe 9... Ne7 is better so as to meet 10.Bd6 with 10...Bxd6 11.Nxd6+ Kf8 12.Qf3 with 12... Nf5
|Sep-24-12|| ||thomastonk: <kitbitzer31> White is in no hurry to prove the compensation for the pawn. Black has a long lasting problem with his king. If Black intends 0-0, White can simply develop Nf3, Bd3, and 0-0,
and then launch a king side attack. If Black forces White early to do something with Ba3/Nb5, then he won't be able to castle, and Black is permanently badly coordinated.|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Ah... I see.Thanks. You were very helpful. I remember a quote by Petrosian that went something like this, "Many players after sacrificing a pawn aim not to obtain the initiativefor it but to regain the sacrificed material". It certainly applies here to me. Once again, thank you for your great help..|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Once again, sorry to bother you but what would you play after 8...Bc7? Any recommendations for White? Thanks.|
|Sep-24-12|| ||haydn20: <k31> 8....Bc7 9. Bxa3 Nc6 10. Qg4 g6 11. Bd3 followed up by Nf3 0-0 and Nxc7 and White has a blistering attack with an unopposed DSB, while Black is still trying to get developed. 6...cxd4 looks a lot more sensible for Black. Maybe one of the resident stronger players has a deeper view than I.|
|Sep-24-12|| ||thomastonk: <kitbitzer31> Maybe this opening explorer can answer some of your questions: http://chessok.com/?page_id=352.|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Thanks to both <haydn20> and <thomastonk> in answering my numerous questions. Thanks or being so patient and kind to an amateur.|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: But what if 9...Ne7 instead? Then after 10.Qg4 0-0....|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: It appears to me that there is no direct refutation in the 6...cxb4 line. Most likely the line has just gone out of fashion...|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Can I play with Black against one of you with the 6...cxb4 line? Thanks.|
|Sep-24-12|| ||thomastonk: <kitbitzer31: there is no direct refutation in the 6...cxb4 line.> Well, White cannot announce a mate or does not win a piece by force, but I think that Black is clearly worse, and hence it "gone out of fashion".|
<Kitbitzer31: Can I play with Black against one of you with the 6...cxb4 line?> Where are you going to play?
|Sep-24-12|| ||whiteshark: <kibitzer31>
<1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Ba5 6.b4 cxb4 7.Nb5 Nc6 8.axb4 Bxb4+ 9.c3 Be7 10.Ba3 Nh6 11.Bxe7 Qxe7 12.Nd6+ Kf8 13.Bb5 f6> is the mainline according to Fritz 11 opening book. However <13... Nf5> is the move Fritz suggested on infinitive search with <14.Nxf5 exf5>
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and now either 15.Ne2 or 15.Qb3 with only +0.2 pawns advantage.
|Sep-24-12|| ||whiteshark: And for the sake of classification, the a.m. line belongs properly spea♔ more to French, Winawer, Advance (C17) or possibly even to C18|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: To <thomastonk>, In chesscube?|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Thanks for the help guys... I've gotten a better idea on how to play the opening thanks to you guys..|
|Sep-24-12|| ||kitbitzer31: <Whiteshark>, why 7...Nc6 and not 7...bxa3+?|
|Sep-26-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Whiteshark, any help would greatly be appreciated. Thanks.|
|Sep-26-12|| ||thomastonk: <kitbitzer31: why 7...Nc6 and not 7...bxa3+?> Well, 7.. bxa3 opens the diagonal a3-f8 for the Bc1, whereas 7.. Nc6 and another book line, 7.. b3, don't.|
BTW, I don't like White's play in Fritz 11 opening book given above.
|Sep-27-12|| ||kitbitzer31: Ah. Thanks <thomastonk>..|
|Feb-18-13|| ||Tigranny: I love the French.|
|Feb-18-13|| ||parisattack: <Tigranny: I love the French.>|
I am learning to. I want to be a breed apart, also. :) List of books on the French on my forum.
|Feb-24-13|| ||2blackrooks: Hi all
I've been playing the odd rubinstein French Roll Eyes. It doesn't seem to get a good press and a lot of players think its boring. Is it possible to sex it up a bit and make it more aggressive??
I play it because it cuts down on the theory as I'm learning the game.
How does the Frere (Becker) variation hold up? 1,e4 e6. 2. d4 d5 3.Nc3/Nd2 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Qd5
Or the Ellis Gambit: 1,e4 e6. 2. d4 d5 3.Nc3/Nd2 dxe4 4. Nxe4 e5
Ellis Gambit Delayed: 1,e4 e6. 2. d4 d5 3.Nc3/Nd2 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nc6 5.Nf3 e5.
|Mar-05-13|| ||parisattack: <2blackrooks: Hi all
I've been playing the odd rubinstein French Roll Eyes. It doesn't seem to get a good press and a lot of players think its boring. Is it possible to sex it up a bit and make it more aggressive?? I play it because it cuts down on the theory as I'm learning the game.>
The Rub actually seems to be more popular than ever (relatively speaking). I've seen several articles on the so-called Fort Knox setup within the Rub.
Becker seems to be OK tho to me it looks as if black is just playing a somewhat limited Center Counter. The Ellis, on the other hand, I think you're sort of just asking for it...
|Dec-24-13|| ||zipperbear: French Defense is not a good option, much stronger is Russian Game, Stalin Defense!
Just for fun.|
|Oct-03-18|| ||Sally Simpson: John Cochrane page 261 from his 'A Treatise on the Game of Chess' printed in 1822.|
Inside cover in two pics.
When analysing The French (which he calls: 'The King's Pawn One Game', the opening - it did not get named the French Defence till after the London - Paris correspondence match (1834–1836.)
John Cochrane was not too fond of Captain Joseph Bertin's (1690s – 1736) suggestion of 3.e5. Though Cochrane did himself play it in later years.
He gives in this section of the book general advice that grabbing the centre with pawns, d4,e4 and f4 may not always be a good thing and the White centre can be 'extremely feeble'.
Published in 1822 just about 100 years before 'hyper-modern' chess was making it's mark.
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