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| Jun-09-07 |
| Silverstrike: <Tomlinsky> I don't really know, I saw it played a few years ago and I have been quite attracted to it for some reason. |
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Jun-09-07
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| keypusher: Silverstrike: here are a couple of illustrations of Tomlinsky's point: I Rabinovich vs Botvinnik, 1937
This game doesn't feature 4. Qg4, but White follows Nimzowitsch's idea of gambiting the d-pawn. It doesn't work well: Bondarevsky vs Botvinnik, 1941 |
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| Jun-11-07 |
| russep: Are there any good books on this variation? |
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| Jul-02-07 |
| GamerMan: Does anyone know why 4. Be3?! is never played? |
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Jul-02-07
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| sisyphus: After 3...c5? If 4. Be3 cxd4 recapturing with the bishop is an embarassment after 5...Nc6. |
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| Aug-18-07 |
| King mega: <russep: Are there any good books on this variation? > i have a program about milner-barry gambit. |
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| Aug-31-07 |
| E M Osbourn: "exchangesacrifice: There are no good ways to meet French with White... it's better to switch from 1.e4 to some other opening move." What an absolutely ridiculous statement... 3.Nc3, 3.Nd2 or 3.exd5 are all fine. To claim that the French Defence refutes 1.e4 is laughable. |
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| Mar-11-08 |
| raskerino: Questions on the Milner-Barry Gambit:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.0-0 Nxd4 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 10.Nc3 Now there are two main branches
a) 10... Qxe4 11.Re1 and there's another split:
a1) 11... Qd6 12.Nb5 Bxb5 13.Bxb5+ Kd8 and what's the correct move here? The game of the day has a very successful 14.Be3 followed by Rc1 and Bc5 to target the d6 queen, but there's also 14.Qh5 trying to induce a g6 weakness before 15.Qf3 or there's an immediate 14.Qf3 which if noting else prepares Bf4. All these seem reasonable, but I'd love to hear if anyone's done some analysis and has an argument in favor of one of these moves, or another. a2) 11... Qb8 and again there's a branch, but I favor 12.Qf3 to the line 12.Nxd5 Bd6 13.Qg4 Kf8 14.Bd2 h5 15.Qh3 which I've never had success with so: 12.Qf3 Bc6 this isn't always played, but I've found it challenging in blitz. Any ideas? b) 10... a6 11.Qe2 Ne7 is the move always analyzed, but I think it was Atalik who played 11... Rc8 and that seems more critical. b1) 11... Ne7 12.Kh1 Nc6 13.f4 and the following is an example of my problems, but 13... Nb4 14.Rd1 (14.Bb1 looks ugly) 14... Bc5 when I'm not sure if I have an improvement upon 15.a3 Nxd3 16.Rxd3 Qf2 17.Qxf2 Bxf2 18.f5 which doesn't appear to be enough for white. b2) 11... Rc8 12.Kh1 should I follow the same plan here? I have no knowledge of this position, it was just mentioned to me that 11... Rc8 was the key move for black. Any idea how to meet this and what black's plan might be? Thanks a ton for any advice in any of these lines, I'm a 1950 without a strong computer who'd love to see any well thought out (or computer driven) analysis. |
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Mar-11-08
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| whiteshark: <raskerino: <Questions on the Milner-Barry Gambit:>> ad a2) <11...Qb8 12.Qf3 Bd6 13.Qxd5 Bc6 14.Qh5 Nf6 15.Rxe6+ Be7 16.Rxe7+ Kxe7 17.Qf5> looks unclear to me 
click for larger viewDue to black's unsecure  there should be enough compensation for the exchange. |
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Apr-09-08
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| WannaBe: Opening of the day, however, I'm still looking for <French, Beginner> or <French, Intermediate>!! |
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| Apr-09-08 |
| Tomlinsky: <WannaBe: Opening of the day, however, I'm still looking for <French, Beginner> or <French, Intermediate>!!> That would be the KIA and Exchange Variation respectively I believe. :) |
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Apr-09-08
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| whiteshark: <WannaBe: Opening of the day, however, I'm still looking for <French, Beginner> or <French, Intermediate>!!> I suggest <a pre-French> for Yu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYW... :D |
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Apr-09-08
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| MagisterMusicae: trumbull0042, Is really interesting your cuestion. Your solution 9.h3 is very pasive. I like more 9.Bxg5, with the posible continuation 9... Qxb2 10.Nd2 Nxd4 11.Rb1 Nxe2+ 12.Qxe2 Qxa2 13.Rxb7, with compensation for the losing pawn.
Your opinion?
(I speak spanish)
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| Oct-04-08 |
| drukenknight: A better way to meet f4 in the French? Is there a name for variations that feature this annoying move? There are a number of "waiting" moves for white (e.g. c3) that often throw me off, as usually black can rely on white to follow an agressive plan that runs out of gas and then the counterattack begins. But these quiet lines often mess me up as all my ideas are reacted to. As for f4, I used to play ..f5 and but would get a lot of closed positions w/ little counter play. So how about this: 1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. e5 Bd7
4. f4 h5!? why not start grabbing space on the edges?
A hyper modern tactic for this?
5. Nf3 Nh6 (I just had to play this, why not? the N has to go through e7 in the classical)
6. h3 c5
7. c3 cxd4
8. cxd4 Bb4+
9. Nc3 Nc6
10. a3 Ba5
11. b4 Bb6
12. Be3 Nf5
13. Bf2 Rc8
position after 13...Rc8
click for larger view14 Be2? Ncxd4
15. Rc1 Nxf3+
16. Bxf3 Bxf2+
17. Kxf2 Qb6+
18. Ke1 Ng3
19. Rf1 Qe3+
20. Ne2 Rxc1
21. Qxc1 and 0-1
A better line is this but still black has some advantage: 14. Rc1 h4
15. b5 Nce7
16. Na4 Ba5+
17. Nd2 Rxc1
18. Qxc1 Ng6
19. Nc5 Qc7
20. Qb2 Nxf4
21. a4 Ng3
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| Jan-03-09 |
| FrogC: Where do people stand on the Wade Variation in the Advance? 1.e4 e6
2.d4 d5
3.e5 c5
4.c3  b6
I've tried this a few times, and the idea to exchange off the bad bishop seems logical. But I find after exchanging my pawn on c5 for the one on d4, I am left facing a strong centre with pawns on d4 and e5. Try to undermine this with f6, and you get a backward pawn at e6 which is hard to defend without the light-squared bishop. I'm beginning to think this bishop is better kept on the board. |
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| Apr-06-09 |
| drukenknight: that ...f6 stuff often should really wait. In fact I have found it better to wait until ...f5 becomes some sort of forcing move e.g. it hits a B or a Q or something. It seems to me just playing ..f6 at some pt. when there is no reason good or bad tells me it needs to wait until it becomes crucial. THat ..Qb6 stuff has me baffled as well as you. I think the Q is best on c7 in most of these lines so I just try to get her there and dont over think it. Do you have any examples from master play? That would be of interest. On your idea about the bad bishop: Why not play ...Bd7 as soon a white adopts a waiting move? I.e. right after he plays c3 then play...Bd7. In fact I have an example of this somewhere... see this:
French, Tarrasch (C03) |
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| Apr-06-09 |
| FrogC: After reading John Watson's Dangerous Weapons book on the French, I like the line he gives there: 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 Nh6!?
Black usually does play an early f6 here, which puts real pressure on White's centre, eg after 6.Bxh6 gxh6 followed by ...Bg7. I haven't tried this line yet (I'm mostly a Sicilian player anyway) but I like the look of it. |
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| Jul-16-09 |
| muwatalli: are there any experts on the milner barry gambit out there? i've been having trouble with the a6! line. after 10... a6 11 Qe2 Ne7 12 Kh1 Nc6 13 f4 Nb5 14 Rd1 Bc5. white seems worse. the Bb1 lines give black an advantage as well. after 14 Bb1 Qc4! gives white an ugly decision of trading off queens and getting an inferior endgame or wasting a tempo and allowing the D pawn to harass the knights with moves like 15 Qf3 or Qd1. in conclusion white doesn't seem to have enough for the pawn in the main line after 10... a6, are there any proposed solutions out there? for instance good deviations off of the main line. |
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| Jul-16-09 |
| schroedingers cat: <muwatalli> I do not claim to be an expert on the Milner Barry Gambit but I think 11.Re1 seems like a better choice than 11.Qe2 since it gives white a better square to develop its queen (and don't keep it busy with securing the d-pawn). After a move like Qf3 or (if white will be able to kick blacks queen from the fourth/fifth rank with moves like i.e 11.Be3 Qxe4 12. Bc5 etc.) Qf4 or Qg5. |
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Jul-16-09
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| parisattack: There are five chapters (13-18) on 10. ...a6 in Bickford's tome on the Milner-Barry. I think the consensus is that 11. Re1 is indeed preferable. |
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| Jul-16-09 |
| schroedingers cat: <muwatalli> I think you might find this page useful :) http://chesscoach1950.blogspot.com/...
(Strange that the page doesn't mention 11.Re1) |
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| Jul-16-09 |
| muwatalli: thank you two for the prompt responses, i'll start studying the 11. Re1 lines. |
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| Aug-21-09 |
| drukenknight: Here is a nice french advance that features some ideas mentioned above: early ...h5 as well as 4...Bd7 and finally an amusing R/N endgame: 1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. e5 c5
4. Nf3 Bd7 (I dont think anyone has played this but why not get the bad B out early and the possibility of obtaining the long diagonal seems rational as the game so far is closed) 5. c3 Nc6
6. Nbd2 h5 (this idea I think should wait in response to white's h4 but I just got anxious) Position after 6...h5, okay so far:
click for larger view7. Nb3 c4
8. Nbd2 Nh6
9. b3 cxb3
10. axb3 Be7
11. Bd3 a6
12. h3
after 12 h3; black seems to be a running out of space: 
click for larger view12…Nf5 (..Qc7 is probably better, I hate to leave that e6 open like that) 13. Bxf5 exf5
14. Ba3 f6
15. exf6 gxf6
16. Bxe7 (00 seems to give white some advantage )
16…Qxe7+
17. Qe2 O-O-O
18. Qxe7 Nxe7
19. O-O Rhg8
20. Kh2 Ng6
21. c4 dxc4
22. Nxc4 Bb5
23. Rac1 Kb8
24. Rg1 Nf4
25. Rc2 Bc6
26. Rd2 (white in trouble from here on; 26 Nh4 w/ only slight disadvantage) 26… Bxf3
27. gxf3 Rxg1
28. Kxg1 Nxh3+
29. Kg2 Nf4+
30. Kg3 Ng6 (I put the N here so I could bring the R behind him but I missed 30:...Rxd4!) 31. f4 Rg8
32. Kf3 h4
33. Nd6 h3
34. Nxf5
after 34 Nxf5; what next?:
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| Aug-21-09 |
| MaxxLange: <drukenknight> I analyze 34...Nh4+! 35 Nxh4 h2 36 Rd1 Rg1 and Black wins |
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| Aug-24-09 |
| drukenknight: yes that's right. I played Nxf6 and won it is probably still a won game either way so maybe not a good study problem, I think the game was lost back on whites 26th move. |
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