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| Apr-04-05 |
| tintin: It also occasionally comes up in other openings, like the Two Knights defense, when White is being not very adventurous, fearing b5 or Na5, though that is not very relenvant on this page. I must mention though, that this variation (Frankenstein-Dracula) very rarely comes up in my games- i have never played it in a tournament, so it is hardly worth studying all the theory, unless you have lots of time. Just be safe and take the pawn in order to trade queens. |
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| Apr-11-05 |
| tintin: (Sorry, wrong page, ignore the above message, unless you really feel like discussing it!) |
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| Oct-28-05 |
| chesscrazy: I haven't seen this opening often. |
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Oct-28-05
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| Resignation Trap: <chesscrazy> You should play it in a tournament this weekend! |
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Oct-31-05
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| Swapmeet: I would play this variation if they could just come up with a better name than "Frankenstein-Dracula". Sheesh. |
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| Oct-31-05 |
| SneechLatke: Excellent choice for opening of the day <chessgames>. Obviously quite fitting. I've heard that the opening got its name when, in an article, the author (whose name escapes me at the moment) dubbed it "Frankenstein against Dracula" because of the extreme ugliness of the resulting positions, as though the two were slugging it out. |
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Oct-31-05
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| RonB52734: I happened to notice that the opening in I Rivise vs Santasiere, 1946 is described as "Monster Declined." I guess not everybody likes a Monster. |
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| Nov-22-05 |
| tintin: <bishop: I think I remember reading a comment By Alekhine that said that yes ..nxe4 refutes the Vienna game.> If you don't want to play against that line as white, play e4 Bc4 d3 and THEN Nc3, when you usually have exactly the same position as the alternative move order except Nxe4 is just stupid. |
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Jul-23-06
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| Knight13: I almost got beat in this opening as White really bad until I found a saving move... I was so behind in initiative and his central control was killing me and all pawns crashing into my king and all that until he played a sac, Nf3+, which I responded instead of gxf3 I did Nxf3!?, won two pawns, got my kind out of safety, and won... I don't intend to do it again. |
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Jul-23-06
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| Phony Benoni: This is one of those variations in which a booked-up player will do well with either color. Or for that matter, a player like myself who doesn't study the book, but just likes crazy positions. I once won with Black in five moves against a player rated 2131: 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Qh5 Nd6 5.Nb5?? Nxc4 0-1 It was an early morning round, to be sure. That tournament was memorable for me in another way. I had one game that lasted 91 moves; the other four lasted a total of 59. |
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Jul-27-06
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| Knight13: <1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Qh5 Nd6 5.Nb5?? Nxc4 0-1> Are you sure!!?? I never heard a 2100+ make that kind of mistake! He's an expert! 2000+ player don't hang pieces directly, you know, but tactically. |
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| Jul-27-06 |
| letekro: <Knight13> When I was 13, I went 4-1 in an under 2200 section, pushing my rating above 2100 for the first (and hopefully not the last) time. My one loss was with Black and it went as follows: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cd4: 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8. Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 Ne7?? and 0-1 before my opponent could play 11. Nxf6#. I'm sure I'm not the only player above 2000 who has made a grotesque, unprovoked, blunder like that. It happens more often than you might think. |
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| Jul-27-06 |
| letekro: As further proof of my point, I meant to write 1-0, not 0-1, in my message above. See? Experts make mistakes all the time! ;) |
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| Sep-30-06 |
| naamloos: I play this as white and I have noticed that there are a lot of people entering the frankenstein-dracula variation without them knowin it, which means lots of free points. A game last thursday went: [Event "Club Intern"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.09.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Loos, Rudolf"]
[Black "My opponent"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C27"]
[WhiteElo "1327"]
[PlyCount "55"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Qh5
<My opponent was visibly suprised when I played this immediately.> Nd6 5. Bb3 c6
? <perhaps already the losing move.> 6. Ne4 Qe7 7. Nxd6+ Qxd6 8. Qxf7+ Kd8 <The material
is still equal, but black will have tremendous difficulty developing his
pieces.> 9. d3 ?! < f3 Is stronger.> h6 ?! <
black wants to avoid  g5, but for now it is more important to develop. (9...
Qe7 10. Qh5 g6 11. Qe2 d6 12. Nf3 h6 black is still alive.)> 10. Nf3 Qf6
<black ofcourse wants to exchange queens.> 11. Qh5 g6 <(11... Bb4+ ! This is an
interesting variation and it seriously questions whether white has trown away
the advantage. 12. c3 g6 13. Qxe5 !? Re8 14. Qxe8+ Kxe8 15. cxb4)> 12. Qxe5 Bg7
<(Ofcourse not: 12... Qxe5+ 13. Nxe5)> 13. Qxf6+ Bxf6 14. O-O d6 <
Why not d5?> 15. Re1 g5 16. c3 Bg4 17. Nd2 Nd7 <(17... d5 18. Nf1 Bf5 19. d4 Nd7
20. Ne3 Bg6 )> 18. Ne4 Re8 19. Bd2 Be7 20. d4 Nf6 ?! <
White does not mind the trading down.> 21. Nxf6 Bxf6 22. Rxe8+ Kxe8 23. Re1+
Kd7 24. h3 Bh5 25. Re6 <(25. g4 This is somewhat easier.)> 25... Bg7 26. Re3
Bf6 27. d5 ?! <A weak move of mine aiming to disrupt the queensidepawns, but
obviously this is not helpfull or of important.> Bf7 ? <
black blunders, but his position was already bad. (27... Be5
This could have given white some trouble in creating a passed pawn.)> 28. dxc6+
1-0
I hope above is somewhat readable. |
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| Sep-30-06 |
| naamloos: The real problem with the Vienna (and reason for me to think about switching to another opening) is the variation: 1. e4 e5
2. Nc3 Nf6
3. Bc4 Nc6
4. d3 Na5
After this white has big difficulty proving any advantage. Theory suggest further: 5. Ne2 Nxc4
6. dxc4 Bc5
7. 0-0
Black has the bishop-pair and it seems a save game. White usually playsfurther with Qd3, Bg5 and Ng3-f5 trying to get some threats on the kingside, but it does not seem much dangerous. |
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| Jun-10-09 |
| Fanacas: Knight13
Even grand masters make great blunders, also in the openings simply becous they are getting 2 opening varations trought each other and play to quick, or somtime by what you can call rare cases of blindes where they just make very stupid mistakes wich even amateurs can see. |
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| Jun-10-09 |
| Fanacas: Ow and instead of the Frankenstein-Dracula 5.Qxe5 check is also a idea something mieses played much. |
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| Jun-11-09 |
| Fanacas: But personaly i believe that the delayed 3.f4 is the best for white i most of all like the lines steinitz played. |
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Jul-26-09
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| whiteshark: OPENING OF THE DAY <Vienna Game <1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4>>
Opening Explorer |
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Jul-26-09
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| whiteshark: ... OPENING OF THE DAY <Frankenstein-Dracula <1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Qh5 Nd6 5.Bb3 Nc6 6.Nb5 g6 7.Qf3 f5 8.Qd5>> Opening Explorer |
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| Aug-04-09 |
| Amarande: I do not see Black's compensation for the Exchange in the F-D main line;  appears to be the clear evaluation.Ergo, Black is lost, and the 7th move at latest was the last opportunity to change his ways, since there is no real alternative to 8 ... Qe7. On move 7, the only other viable looking choice 7 ... Nf5 leads to a long and mostly forced variation (at least, from Black's point of view): 8 Qd5 Nh6 9 d4 d6 10 Bxh6 Be6 11 Qf3 Bxb3 12 Bxf8 Ba4 13 Bg7 Rg8 14 Bf6 Qd7 15 Na3 Nxd4 16 Qh3 Qxh3 17 Nxh3. Black now has two pawns for his piece, and can gain a third in two ways. But 17 ... Nxc2+ appears to lose perforce, viz. 18 Nxc2 Bxc2 19 Rc1! (A Kupferstich vs J Andreassen, 1953) So 17 ... Bxc2 is forced, whereupon White gains significant edge with 18 f4. On move 6, though, Black has very few alternatives either; the only one that does not lead to immediate loss of material is the offbeat 6 ... Ke7?! 7 Nxd6 Kxd6 8 Qxf7, after which here too White appears to have too much of an edge to really recommend the variation. Therefore, it seems best that Black avoid attempting to retain the extra pawn on move 5, and instead return it with 5 ... Be7, after which the position after both 6 Nf3 and 6 Qxe5 appears even. And so, 3 ... Nxe4 is hardly a refutation of 3 Bc4, but merely a potential psychological weapon against newer players, or intermediate players who dogmatically adhere to opening principles without question (who would dismiss 4 Qh5! as a fantasy and entertain instead 4 Bxf7+? or 4 Nxe4?). |
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Aug-04-09
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| blacksburg: why go into all that when 3...Nc6 is perfectly good? |
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| Aug-04-09 |
| MaxxLange: <Amarande>You don't see Black's compensation. So, you conclude Black is lost. I conclude that....you don't see Black's compensation. Have you looked at any games in this line? Maybe J Ost-Hansen vs Nunn, 1974 will help. |
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| Aug-04-09 |
| MaxxLange: It's certainly a debate, whether Black's compensation is enough for the exchange, and there is a lot of concrete analysis that I haven't seen, generated by devotees of this crazy line....it may well be that White comes out with the better chances if he can castle long, for one thing. But it's far from clear. |
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| Aug-11-09 |
| Fanacas: Nothing wrong with 3...Nc6 but 3....Nxe4 is just a little better personaly i would probaly never play 3.bc4 3.f4 is much more intresting, fierce, and porbaly a little better (alteast that is what my opening book of the vienna says) |
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