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| May-22-04 |
| paultopia: ow. I hate the falkbeer. I'm just about ready to hang up my swashbuckler spurs. Does anyone have any wisdom on good plans for white facing the falkbeer? I just played this horrible game where I lost the initiative and got tactically stomped around the board, ruined pawn structure, pinned pieces left and right, and resigned facing unstoppable queen-rook fork losing the exchange as prelude to total invasion of my back rank. Complete collapse. And I really can't identify a truly bad move in there, I just lost too many tempi trying to defend all those badly placed pawns. (Ok, 15. d4 was a blunder... allowing that passed pawn to be created to force my king on the 7th rank so I could stop it with a rook... but still, I was already dead.) 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. c4 Bg4 6. d3 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Bxc3+
8. bxc3 O-O 9. Bxf4 Re8+ 10. Be2 Bxf3 11. gxf3 Nbd7 12. Qc2 g6 13. O-O-O a5
14. a4 Nc5 15. d4 Nxa4 16. Bd3 Nb6 17. h4 Nh5 18. Bg5 f6 19. Bh6 Kf7 20.
Rhg1 Rg8 21. f4 f5 22. Be2 Nf6 23. Bg5 a4 24. h5 a3 25. hxg6+ hxg6 26. Kd2
Rh8 27. Ra1 Rh2 28. Rh1 Qh8 29. Qd1 Ne4+
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Like... help? plleeeaaasseeee? :-) |
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| May-22-04 |
| misguidedaggression: I'm not claiming to be an expert on this line (or even a very good chess player for that matter) but 5.c4 just looks wrong to me. And after 6.d3 you leave yourself weak on the dark squares(6...Bb4+). You are playing a kings gambit, so I don't know why holding on to an extra pawn in the opening is so important to you. 5.Bb5+ looks like the more natural move. And you need to get in an early d4 for better control of the center. Of course, that's just my stile of play, I 'd rather be down material with a good attack than be up and have to defend passively. |
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| May-22-04 |
| BiLL RobeRTiE: <Paultopia> That line isn't really the Falkbeer, it transposed into the King's Gambit Accepted, Abbazia Defense (C36). How about after 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Nf3 d5 4 exd5 Nf6 (the usual move order) instead of trying to hold the pawn with the weakening and otherwise undesirable move 5 c4?! you play a developing move like 5 Nc3 or 5 Bc4? ;) |
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| May-23-04 |
| paultopia: Hmm misguidedaggression, bill robertie... ... you mean play like a proper king's gambit player? :-) Hmm... Obviously I just need to be less of a wuss about missing the e pawn. To my mind the absence of the e pawn, plus the blockage of the a2-g8 diagonal kills most of my usual attacking plans. Which, I guess, means I need to get out of a rut. Thanks guys :-) |
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| Sep-13-04 |
| Giancarlo: This opening could transpose into the Vienna game, which is intresting. The King's gambit is very similar in comparision to the Vienna. This opening is an agressive one on black's part, and intresting enough, black wins over 40% of the time! |
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Jun-20-05
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| BishopBerkeley: In his analysis of J Schulten vs Morphy, 1857 , Garry Kasparov refers to "the Falkbeer Counter-Gambit, the evaluation of which remains not altogether clear even to this day..." (from from "My Great Predecessors", vol. 1, [ISBN: 1857443306, Everyman Chess, 2003], p. 35, by Garry Kasparov .) (:  Bishop Berkeley :) |
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Jul-28-05
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| Knight13: Try 3. Qh5 :). |
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Aug-01-05
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| gambitfan: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 c6 4. Nc3 exf4 5. Nf3 Falkbeer = Abazzia !! |
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Jan-27-06
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| refutor: what's the refutation to 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4? the mainline has been 3. ...exf4 (transposing to 2. ..exf4 3.Nf3 d5) or 3. ...dxe4 4.Nxe5 etc. any thoughts? |
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| Feb-27-07 |
| SirBruce: This has always been on of my favorite names for an opening: Falkbeer is such a powerful Germanic name, and what's better than a Gamit than a Counter-Gambit? When I first started playing chess seriously a decade ago, the Falkbeer Counter-Gambit was one of the first openings I was instinctively drawn to. These days I prefer the Ruy Lopez, but I wonder if there isn't a good line in the Falkbeer to learn... |
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| Feb-28-07 |
| Colonel Mortimer: <When I first started playing chess seriously a decade ago, the Falkbeer Counter-Gambit was one of the first openings I was instinctively drawn to. These days I prefer the Ruy Lopez> Except that the Falkbeer is initiated by Black in the Kings gambit and the Ruy is selected by White if the circumstances allow - so I'm not sure your post makes much sense in this light... |
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| Feb-28-07 |
| SirBruce: <Except that the Falkbeer is initiated by Black in the Kings gambit and the Ruy is selected by White if the circumstances allow - so I'm not sure your post makes much sense in this light...> Well, what I mean is, these days as black I wouldn't play 2... d5 and as whire I wouldn't play 2. f4, opting for something more Ruy-like in either case if I can get it. But as a beginner, you learn about control of the center, and you learn about 1. e4 e5 as being very strong, so I think 2. f4 d5 for both sides is a very natural attempt to control the center right away, before you start adding complexity to the situation with knights, bishops, and so on. |
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| Mar-28-07 |
| Karel: Hi, I've been struggling with this variation for some time now and although I always managed to put up a good fight I havn't won a single game with it (me being white). Could someone maybe point me in the direction of some master games where this has been played, I would appreciate it a lot. (Btw in his book on the KG Joe Gallagher says that white is good here but unfortunately he gives no follow up on this variation) 1. e4 e5
2. f4 d5
3. exd5 e4
4. d3 Nf6
5. dxe4 Nxe4
6. Be3 Qh4+
7. g3 Nxg3
8. Nf3 Qh5
9. hxg3 Qxh1 |
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| Jan-21-08 |
| popski: I'm not a KG player although I like active games, but I think that is Falkbeer even more annoying for a KG players than Abbazia Defense. Falkbeer Counter Gambit somehow force white do defend instantly or at least can't play the same way as they do when they gain tempo with exf4, which usually doesn't fits to KG players. Good opening to experiment with! |
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Jan-21-08
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| KingG: <Karel> I guess the point is that after something like 10.Qe2, White has a massive lead in development for the exchange. Play might continue 10...Bd6 11.Bd4+ Kf8 12.Nbd2 Qh5 13.0-0-0.
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I don't think a King's Gambit player should object to such a position. A better move for Black might be 8...Qe7, which i presume is the main line. Overall I think 6.Nf3 is a better move than 6.Be3 anyway. As far as i know, White should get at least a favourable endgame out of it. And there are also some nice traps involved, for example: Reti vs Breyer, 1918. |
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| Apr-05-08 |
| Auggie: According to G.M. Neil McDonald in his book, The Kings Gambit, white has good winning chances in the Falkbeer, and as a result, it is rarely if ever played at the highest levels these days. Personally I prefer either the Modern Defense with 3...d5 or the Fischer defense with 3.. d6. |
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| Jun-25-08 |
| The Chess Player: Does anyone know when Pinski's book on the KG will finally come out? |
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Jun-25-08
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| An Englishman: The Falkbeer is one of those Black countergambits that I wish was sound, but can't say that it is, just like the Albin, the von Hennig-Schara, the Winawar Countergambit in the Slav, and 1.e4,e5; 2.Nf3,Nc6; 3.d4,d5?! Those aggressive central advances look so cool, but they just don't seem to work. |
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| Aug-01-08 |
| Silverstrike: An interesting loss of mine.
Duncan Campbell (1846) v Julius Schwartz (1679)
1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 (mixing the move order, should have played 3...e4) 4.dxc6 e4 5.d3 e3 5.Bxe3 Nf6 6.Bxe3 Nf6 7.Nf3 Qe7 8.Qe2 Nxc6 9.Bd2 Be6 10.a3 0-0-0 11.Nc3 Qc7 12.0-0-0 Nd5 13.Nxd5 Bxd5 14.Re1 Bc5 15.Qd1 Qd6 16.c4 Be6 17.b4 Bf2 18.Rxe6 Qxe6 19.Qe2 Qxe2 20.Bxe2 Rhe8 21.Bf1 Nd4 22.Nxd4 Rxd4 23.g4 Be1 24.f5 f6 25.h3 b6 26.Bg2 Bxd2+ 27.Kxd2 Rf4 28.Be4 Rf2+ 29.Kc3 Kc7 30.c5 bxc5 31.bxc5 Re5 32.Kd4 Rb2 33.g5 Re8 34.gxf6 gxf6 35.Kc3 Ra2 36.Kb3 Re2 37.Rg1 Re3 38.Rg7+ Kb8 39.Kc4 Re1 40.Rb7+ Kc8 41.Rxa7 Rc1+ 42.Kd5 Re5+ 43.Kd6 Resigns |
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| Feb-18-09 |
| m0nkee1: I am yet to find a safe line through the kings gambit. I accept & play b-e7 early on black (not sure what this is called), which often gives you the check on h4. But no matter how flash the counter attack white seems to get the upper hand. There must be a quiet way through this opening. Any tips welcome. Counter-attacking just leaves a mess. I don't think this is an opening at all! just a mess for both sides! i sigh whenever it's played. I wonder with a bit of study if e5, nc6, nf3 might give anything. |
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| Mar-06-09 |
| FiveofSwords: hi monkee. First of all, the idea of putting the bishop on e7 is ONLY good against lines where white pushes h4. Against other stuff the bishop is much better placed on g7. No there is no quiet way through this opening and if you want a quiet game then 1...e5 is not for you. Theres a massive number of different openings besides the king's gambit where you are not going to get a quiet game after 1...e5. If you really want a quiet game then i suggest you play the opening in a way where you dont really allow your pawns to be fixed and/or exchanged, simply allow white a nice space advantage, and when you are done developing (in a possibly inferior, meager way admittedly) then proceed from there. |
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| Mar-06-09 |
| WhiteRook48: how about 3. exd5? |
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| Mar-07-09 |
| chessman95: 3.exd5 is the main line here, and black's plan is to push the pawn to e4 and block the development of white's king knight and also the d-pawn. After d3 though, white has the advantage. <monkee> FiveofSwords is right about that. If you are looking for quiet openings after 1.e4 then ...e5 is not for you. The French, CK, or even the hypermodern Pirc and Modern Defense all have lines in them that are as quiet as it's going to get in the king pawn openings. |
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Mar-07-09
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| blacksburg: <monkee> if you can't play 1...e5 because it is too sharp, the solution is not to find a duller opening, the solution is to learn to play more sharply and practice tactics. |
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| Mar-07-09 |
| chessman95: Probably good advise, assuming you have the time to learn the vast amount of theory on 1.e4 e5. Even if you can't play the Open Games well, a year or two of experience in what is the hardest branch of opening theory to master (the Sicilian's pretty complicated too) will pay off when you play 'easier' openings like the French or CK. The openings that I play are fairly limited, but I know almost every opening there is, and I have found that knowledge of many openings can help you understand and play other openings. |
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