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|Jul-19-08|| ||madeinholland: Have you people ever tried 4.Bb5+ versus Fischer's defense? I used it in the following game;|
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d6 3. Nf3 exf4 4. Bb5+ Bd7 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bxd7+ Qxd7 7. d4 c6 8.
Bxf4 Be7 9. e5 d5 10. O-O Bb4 11. Na4 Qc7 12. a3 Be7 13. Qd2 c5 14. e6 Qc6 15.
exf7+ Kxf7 16. Ne5+ Ke8 17. Nxc6 bxc6 18. Rfe1 Nf6 19. Bd6 Ra7 20. Bxc5 Rb7 21.
Rxe7+ Rxe7 22. Bxe7 Kxe7 23. Re1+ Kf7 24. Qf4 Nbd7 25. Nc5 Rd8 26. Qc7 Re8 27.
Rxe8 Kxe8 28. Nxd7 Nxd7 29. Qxc6 Ke7 30. Qxd5 Kf6 31. Qxd7 1-0
Rybka even likes it :)
|Aug-04-08|| ||WarmasterKron: How not to play the King's Gambit:
Kron (1458) - NN (1345)
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 f6? 4.Ne5!? g5??
5.Qh5+ Ke7 6.Qf7+ K6 7.Nc4+ 1-0
I've been playing the KG for a while now, but I don't think I've ever seen a move as poor as 4..g5.
|Dec-18-08|| ||offtherook: Fischer defense the opening of the day again- and it's only been 6 months since its last day at the top. On the rare occasions when I play open game as black, and by an even rarer occasion my opponent plays the king's gambit, I play the fischer defense. It is passive, defensive, and solid- exactly the type of play to drive a KG player stark raving mad. I don't mind it too much as white because there are lines where white can sac a bishop and open up the kingside.|
|Dec-18-08|| ||offtherook: <xrt999: Why do you think Fischer accepted the KG, and then played 4...d6? Think about it.>
He didn't Bobby Fischer never once played the Fischer Defense OTB. He analyzed it and wrote an article claiming to have refuted the King's Gambit, and after that no one played the King's Gambit against him so he never had a chance to use "his" opening OTB. He did, however, play the king's gambit as white himself several times during his career, albeit typically in simuls and usually preferring the 3 Bc4 variations.|
|Feb-18-09|| ||Marmot PFL: <offtherook> This is a tough line to meet. I had a recent game go 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Nf3 d6 4 d4 g5 5 h4 g5 6 Ng1 Qf6 7 Nc3 c6 8 Nge2 Bh6 9 g3 f3 10 Nf4 Qe7. I won after a few mistakes but wasn't even sure I had anything for the pawn for some time.|
|Feb-18-09|| ||IMlday: <MarmotPFL> There is some interesting cg kibitzing on that position in L Day vs L Morin, 1984
I think White's big trump is the space advantage and controlling the timing of opening the position. So I always played 11.Kf2 and gave myself an !|
|Feb-18-09|| ||Marmot PFL: <IMlday> Thanks, Mr. Day, that it what I did too. Followed up with Bd3 and Re1, still it was only when black weakened his queenside pawns and allowed Nd5 that I had anything concrete.|
|Feb-22-09|| ||offtherook: <Marmot> Yes, I know the Fischer defense is very solid. I play it against KG myself as black, just to close up the position and annoy gambiteers.|
As White, I always preferred to play Bc4 before d4, and I didn't generally retreat my knight back to its starting square. To my mind, doing that really kills a lot of the fun (even if it is theoretically the best continuation).
|Dec-19-09|| ||Edwin M: I understand there might be a bust to Fischer's bust in the NIC yearbook 93. Anyone has it and care to elaborate?|
|Dec-20-09|| ||RandomVisitor: Yes, the lines analyzed stem from 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 <4.Nc3> and there are a sea of variations.|
|Jan-08-10|| ||redwhitechess: Latest King Gambit win, Junta Ikeda - Yuan Yi, Australian Champ 2010. |
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 d5 4. exd5 Nf6 5. Nc3 c6 6. d4 Bd6 7. Qe2+ Kf8
8. Bd2 Bg4 9. Nf3 Qe7 10. Qxe7+ Kxe7 11. O-O Rd8 12. Rae1+ Kf8 13. Ng5 Bh5
14. Bxf4 Bxf4 15. Rxf4 h6 16. Nge4 Nxd5 17. Bxd5 cxd5 18. Nc5 Nc6 19. Ne6+ Kg8 20. Nxd8 Rxd8 21. Rf5 Bg6 22. Rxd5 Rc8 23. Rd7 Bf5 24. Rxb7 Nxd4 25.Rxa7 Nxc2 26. Ree7 Be6 27. a4 Nb4 28. Rec7 Rd8 29. Rab7 Nc2 30. Rc5 Rd2 31.Re5 Nd4 32. Re3 h5 33. a5 h4 34. a6 h3 35. gxh3 f5 36. a7 f4 37. a8=Q+ Kh7 38. Qe8 fxe3 39. Qh5+ 1-0
|Jul-12-10|| ||tpstar: 1000 = Beer|
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I believe the King's Gambit is the most dangerous opening for Black to face unprepared, as the open lines towards the King can be deadly. Yet the Fischer Defense (1. e4 e5 2. f4 ef 3. Nf3 d6) is an effective antidote, consolidating the gambit Pawn safely with ... g5 while holding the dark squares to prevent any Ne5 or Ng5 by White. Continuing the Main Line 4. Bc4 h6 5. d4 g5 6. 0-0 Bg7 Black seems dangerously behind in development but scores very well = Opening Explorer provided Black avoids undue greed, which holds for any opening. There are some key tidbits, like 7. c3 or 7. Nc3 are both best met by 7 ... Nc6, and Qb3 is always answered with ... Qe7, but those come with experience. This thread contains highly informative comments by <IMlday> interacting with the group.
Students should either decline the King's Gambit with 2 ... Bc5 getting a playable Vienna-like game after 3. Nf3 d6, or accept the King's Gambit using a Fischer Defense. And win. ;>D
|Jul-12-10|| ||MaxxLange: <tpstar> Some authors advocate that Black play a "Modern Defense" with ....d5 to the KGA via the move order:|
1 e4 e5 2 f4 d5 3 exd5 exf4
I think that they are mainly suggesting this move order to avoid 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4
What is your opinion of this line for Black?
|Jul-12-10|| ||Shams: <MaxxLange> To my knowledge that is Black's most favorable Falkbeer, though it's not quite enough for equality. (So they say-- I have troubles against it.) |
I play 3.Bc4 myself, and you're right, after 3...Nf6 and then 4...d5 white doesn't have to take with the e-pawn.
|Jul-12-10|| ||MaxxLange: It is a "Fakebeer"..you transpose to the so-called Modern KGA line, you do not play ....e3|
personally, I think that Black has several good defenses to the King's Gambit, and this is one of them.
|Jul-12-10|| ||Shams: <MaxxLange> Not sure what you mean by ...e3 being necessary. Falkbeer Counter Gambit is simply 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5|
|Jul-12-10|| ||Eric Schiller: <shams> e3 obvious typo for e4 and statement is correct. 3...exf4 is not Falkbeer, it usually leads to Modern Variation. It is what I teach my students.|
|Jul-12-10|| ||Shams: <Eric Schiller> I realize this site's strengths don't necessarily include opening taxomony, but--
King's Gambit Declined, Falkbeer Counter Gambit (C31)
is this just wrong? If so, I stand corrected and apologize to <MaxxLange>.
Also, the typo is only "obvious" if you know what he meant. I don't play the "gotcha" game of taking literal advantage. :)
|Jul-13-10|| ||MaxxLange: <..e3 obvious typo for ...e4> right, thanks.|
In the Falkbeer Counter-Gambit, Black pushes his KP to e4, after 3 exd5, and White normally plays 4 d3
Or, he can transpose to the" Modern" KGA line instead, with 3....exf4
|Jul-13-10|| ||MaxxLange: afaik, in recent GM play, Black is actually doing well with the old Kiseritzky lines, and the theoretical ball is very much back in the King's Gambit players' court.|
|Feb-06-12|| ||Penguincw: Opening of the Day
King's Gambit Accepted, Fischer Defense
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.f3 d6
click for larger view
|Feb-06-12|| ||King Death: < MaxxLange:...In the Falkbeer Counter-Gambit, Black pushes his KP to e4, after 3 exd5, and White normally plays 4 d3|
Or, he can transpose to the" Modern" KGA line instead, with 3....exf4>
Black can also play 3...c6 4.Nc3 ef.
|May-08-12|| ||WannaBe: The line 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d6 4. d4 g5 5. h4 g4 6. Ng1 Bh6 7. Nc3 c6 8. Nge2 Qf6 is known as Fischer's Defence? |
There is only one game (simul, no less) in the DB where Fischer played this line.
|May-08-12|| ||Calar: <WannaBe> Move 3...d6 defines Fischer's defense. Fischer was not the first to recommend or play this move, but he made it popular by claiming it refutes KG in his famous article "A bust to the King's Gambit".|
Link to the article: http://www.academicchess.org/images...
|Feb-05-13|| ||Jacob Arnold: SOLVED.
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