|Mar-02-05|| ||chess man: 35.7% white wins... might be worth playing! |
|Mar-02-05|| ||chess man: By the way,<Notable Games>-Capablanca vs. J. Corzo,1901 is worth watching. |
|Mar-23-05|| ||cbyrne: whats a good defence against this 0pening |
|Mar-23-05|| ||FLCLlove: Generally the KID is played against this if I remember correctly. |
|Sep-11-05|| ||chess man: Here's a good game Pillsbury vs Marshall, 1904|
|Dec-31-05|| ||elh: Uh, 1 d4 d5 2 nf3 isn't really an "opening", it's far too early to tell what's going to happen. It could go into a line of QGD (incl Slav etc) or QGA.|
Most commonly when somebody plays 1 d4 d5 2 nf3 nf6 against me they want to play Colle's System (triangle of pawns with tip at d4, pieces: Bd3 Nf6 Nd2 Re1/Qe2 followed by e4).
There is also the aggressive Krause variation (1 d4 d5 2 nf3 c5) but I don't know what the status of it is. White can certainly play it safe with c6.
|Dec-31-05|| ||blitzjamendoza: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 c5 white can take the c5 pawn 3.dc5 e6 4.e4 Bxc5 5.ed ed or if black plays 3...Nf6 4.c4 e6 5.cd Bxc5 6.Nc3 Nxd5 7.Nxd5 Qxd5 8.Qxd5 ed5 leaves the d-pawn is0lated|
|Jan-26-06|| ||EricCartman: 1. d4 d5 2. ♘f3 ♘f6 3. e3 is probably the best way to start your game. You get an incredibly strong pawnstructure and if you play it right, you'll win the game. The chance you win with this opening is approximately >50%|
|Feb-03-06|| ||Eliskases: I reckon that the best way to tackle 2...c5, is to play 3.c4. By playing this move, the position is likely to transpose to a QGA, QGD or Tarrasch Defense position. This will enable White to reach a more familiar and advantageous position.
After 2...c5 3.c4:
A) playing 3...e6 will lead to the QGD.
A1) 4.Nc3 Nf6 transposes into the Tarrasch Defense.
B) 3...dxc4 4.d5 will result the QGA.
C) 3...Nf6 will lead to the Reversed Symmetrical Grunfeld - a beneficial continuation for White will be 4.cxd5 cxd4 5.Nxd4 a6 6.Qa4+ b5 7.Nxb5 Bd7 8.N1c3 Nxd5 9.Nd6+ exd6 10.Qe4+.
D) 3…cxd4 4.cxd5
D1) 4…Qa5+ 5.Qd2 Qxd2+ 6.Bxd2 Nf6 7.Nxd5 Nxd4 8.Nb5 Na6 as in Nimzowitsch Vs Marshall, 1-0 (Hamburg, 1910). Nimzowitsch vs Marshall, 1910
D2) 4…Qxd5 5.Nc3 will transpose to the Queen's Gambit Symmetrical (Austrian) Variation.
D2i) 5…Qd8 6.Qxd4.
D2ii) 5…Qa5, a likely and advantageous continuation will be 6.Nxd4.
|Feb-09-06|| ||BaranDuin: <EricCartman: 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 is probably the best way to start your game. You get an incredibly strong pawnstructure and if you play it right, you'll win the game. The chance you win with this opening is approximately >50%>|
You wish. If Black defends reasonably this opening mostly leads to a draw in a very boring way. You might play one or two spectacular games (with for example the Bxh7+ sacrifice) but you'll only have won because of serious mistakes by your opponent.
This said, this opening is excellent for holding much higher rated players to a draw.
The first time I defeated a 2000+ rated player I won by this opening and blocking all his aggresive attempts. In the end a draw was inevitable but then he made an incorrect piece sacrifice just to avoid a draw. Of course he lost.
|Mar-10-06|| ||elh: EricCartman: That is really quite a dubious claim. White can do better than "an incredibly strong pawn structure"; this opening puts little pressure on Black and lets him set up his defences however he chooses.|
As BaranDuin observes, you're going to catch some people who don't "see it coming", and let you take over the center and win with a stylish Bxh7+ sac. I actually remember playing a guy on FICS who would plonk out the basic Colle setup and then immediately sacrifice on h7, regardless of whatever safeguards I'd taken against it.
The Colle is basically harmless; its main virtue is that it is difficult for Black to play for a win instead of a draw. If you like crazy unbalanced positions, and I do, it's a pain in the ass. White is playing a solid, conservative Black defence with an extra tempo in hand.
Of late, against the Colle I play a system I saw advised by a master whose name escapes me. With d5, c5, Nbd7, Nf6, g6, and Bg7 you basically shut down White's dreams of a kingside attack (Bd3 bides granite) and your bishop looks very nice once White cracks open the center. Still it's hard to see an advantage for anyone here.
|Mar-13-06|| ||Dudley: I agree with your comments about the Colle- it is not a real winning attempt for White. Larry Kaufman, author of The Chess Advantage in Black and Whited commented that he played it a lot as an amateur, but gave it up because he kept getting draws. The set up you mentioned with the K side fianchetto was recommended as the best defense by George Koltanowski himself, the Colle system authority. My favorite way to play against it is to try to play a Dutch Stonewall against it, but this is not always possible due to move order problems.|
|Apr-19-06|| ||hamworld: How do you have the better pawns structure? DO you need bishop pairs, centre control, etc.|
|Jun-03-07|| ||Paul123: I've been playing the London System and having played the Colle for years, I’ve found the London to have more bite and flexibility. Yes I know the London? Honestly…I’ve found with a lot of people the theory (what little there is) generally isn’t known. It’s weird, its like the London exist between Classical and Hypermodern.|
IMO.......You can build a much more solid repitore around it than you could the Colle. For example, one can transpose into Grunfeld with Bf4 lines if Black plays a Kingside finchetto and essays d5. You can play a straight up London against the KID or plant the Bishop at f4, play c4 and head into lines E61. Against the Dutch plat the bishop at f4 fienchetto the white bishop/ with c4!
all the above are solid lines and played by GM's.
In short I would recommend the London over the Colle
|Jun-16-07|| ||morphynkapa: Does anyone know where to get info. on the Colle-Zugertort Opening? Thanks in advance!|
|Aug-11-07|| ||Gameoverziggy: Susan polgar has a dvd on it|
|Sep-19-07|| ||morphynkapa: Thanks All for the info. on the Colle and Zugertort variation! I am reviewing the London System also. Again, thanks much.
|Mar-14-09|| ||Nuncle: I used to play the London System back when I first started playing competitively, but quickly moved on. It's just boring - nothing ever happens. It's the kind of opening played by the old codgers at the club who don't really play chess, but just shuffle the pieces around for 2 hours before agreeing a draw.|
|Apr-02-09|| ||MaxxLange: If you must play the London System, copy Kamsky's treatment of it. Don't play c3, for chess's sake.|
|Oct-25-10|| ||Festy: <Nuncle> and <MaxxLange>: I agree that London system could lead to a boring game. BUT only if black is also contend with a draw. If black decides to play aggressively, London games could be really exciting after the opening moves.|
|Mar-11-11|| ||Paul123: The London is solid.
I don't think the London is boring.. Sure it can be boring but isn't that a statement about how one view chess or even how one plays the game? Most people think end games are boring... I love end games too. A lot of lines in the London lead to an advantage, more than most think. Most if not all the positions where Black achieves equality there is still a lot of play left also... (hence creativity) The London can also lead to favorable transpositions to main lines that give white an advantage.... IMO better than most of the other d-pawn opening. Furthermore, once you understand the London its hard for black to bamboozle you out of your opening theory.
Again its solid (although one can play it dynamically if they choose...
|Jul-14-11|| ||sirGeoff: I've played the London a bit recently on FICS, but after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 I often see 3...Nh5. Now what should I do? After 4.Bd2 Nf6 it's not the London anymore. Any ideas?|
|Jul-14-11|| ||MaxxLange: <sirGeoff> 4. Bd2 seems wrong, yes.
I think 4 Be5 is what I'd try. Followed by e3 and Be2 as soon as possible. |
If Black plays 4...Nd7, ignore it. 5...Nxe5 6 Nxe5 looks good for you. If 4...f6, then 5 Bg3, and Black has weakened his K-side.
The other alternative is, I guess, 4 Bg3. If Black takes on g3, retake with the h-pawn .
I don't think this very early ...Nh5 is what Black is supposed to do. Something like 3...c5 is a more "normal" move. I'm sure the London players have a solution for this.
|Jul-14-11|| ||MaxxLange: 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Bf4 Nh5?
this just can't be a good way to play with Black. The "win of a tempo" is an illusion, since it comes at the cost of Black moving the KN twice, and stranding it on the edge of the board
4 Be5 has to be the most challenging line. How is Black going to develop his K-side?
4...Nd7 5 e3 Nxe5?! 6 Nxe5
and now White has a promising Stonewall/Pillsbury Attack position
|Feb-27-12|| ||Penguincw: Opening of the Day
Queen's Gambit Declined, Baltic Defense
1.d4 d5 2.c4 ♗f5
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