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|Mar-15-05|| ||Dudley: I didn't know that Bb5 would be good against 3...Nc6 ,which is a common line. It's kind of a problem because if White follows with Bd3, Black has Nb4, so White has to waste a tempo with c3 to prevent it ,but that gives Black time to move ...e6 ,...Bd6 and ...e5 before White can move e4. Of course, I am referring to the Kolti variation. I usually move 4.c4 in response to 3...Nc6, heading for Chiorgan's defense lines. Maybe White could just forget about moving the c pawn altogether and if ...Nb4,...Nxd3 he can recapture with the c pawn and strengthen the e4 break. The basic problem seems to be that there is no real pressure on Black's d pawn. It is a Black opening reversed, after all. |
|Mar-15-05|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: There might be a mixup of openings here. 1.d4,d5; 2.e3 is usually an attempt to get into the Stonewall Attack with the eventual f2-f4 and c2-c3. After 2...Nf6 (Nc6!?); 3.Bd3,Nc6; 4.f4 or 4.Nf3 run into 4...Nb4. But if White plays 4.Bd3-b5, Black's lead in development will grow large enought that he can probably get away with 4...Bd7 or even 4...Qd6, with the idea 5.Nf3,Bg4, followed by ...a7-a6. |
|Mar-15-05|| ||An Englishman: Dear Mr. Schiller: I used to play many games against a Colle expert who favored this move order--1.d4,Nf6; 2.Nd2!? If Black played 2...d5, great, he'd head into Colle territory. If Black played 2...d6 or 2...g6, no problem, he would play the system Geller created vs. the Pirc, namely 3.e4, with c2-c3, Ng1-f3 and Bd3 to follow.|
Best against 2.Nd2 might be 2...c5.
|Mar-15-05|| ||Dudley: <an Englishman>I think we were talking about 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Nc6 which seems to be a common respose among the uninformed to the Colle system, as if you are playing a Ruy Lopez or something. At least that's what I was talking about. The move...Nc6 really can work well against the Stonewall , in fact it's supposed to be a theoretical refutation. |
|Mar-16-05|| ||An Englishman: Dudley: A mixup sounds about right. I was referring to refutor's Mar-05-04 post and Eric Schiller's Mar-13-05 post. Darn all of these miscellaneous QP openings! |
|Aug-13-05|| ||Eric Schiller: I've posted excerpts from my forthcoming book on the Rubinstein Attack (thanks to chessgame.com friends for the proofing help!) at www.ericschiller.com. The book should be available from BrownWalker in a couple of months. I posted a couple of games by Rubinstein himself. It is a real shame that ECO has dumped the opening into several codes [A46 and A47 as well as D05 and a few others].|
|Aug-13-05|| ||Eric Schiller: <Dudley> 3...Nc6 does come up from time to time, and then White must abandon the Rubinstein/Colle formula, because Black will be able to play ...e5. If White is to gain an advantage in the opening, the liberating move ...e5 must be prevented so that a White knight can use e5 as an outpost. So, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Nc6, White might as well play 4.Bb5 or switch to the White side of a Chigorin Defense with 4.c4.|
|Sep-16-05|| ||Paul123: The Colle is a reversed Slav so as someone who plays the Colle 1. d4
and 3. e3 I play a reversed French against KID. Black equalizes in the French when he faces the KIA. So being a move up white gets good play |
For example, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3 Bg7 4.c4 00 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be2 Nbd7 7.b4 e5 8.00 Re8 9.a4 etc... (got the idea from a great book on the Colle system by Smith and Hall.
However, I dont like the line they recommend when someone slips into a Grunfeld against you.
It is actually a bad line in the Closed Catalan
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 g6 4.Bd3 Bg7 5.c3 c5 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.00 00 8.b4 !? it gives you a slight plus but once black pushes c4!? Then all white can do is to push a4 and put a knight on d4 when black eventually pushes e5. There is play but very little in my opinion
A better line is in my opinion (i.e again a Catalan with the colors reversed
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 g6 4.Be2 Bg7 5.c3 c5 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.b3 00 8.Bb2
|Sep-29-05|| ||jdlasmarias: hi everyone..isn't this the colle system? where play goes 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3 followed by White's Bd3, Nbd2, 0-0, Re1 and e4..is this a good opening? |
i've read somewhere that black equalizes after 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3 and now Bf5 or Bg4..Bg4 is particularly quite annoying..:)
|Dec-25-05|| ||Dudley: Yes 3... Bf5 or Bg4 are annoying but if you are going to play the Colle, you have to learn when to switch to a Queen's Gambit and those two moves definitely call for it with 4.c4 followed by Qb3, trying to exploit the absence of Black's QB. This isn't what White was hoping for but is not exactly dangerous. These lines take some analysis as there are some exact moves needed to extricate the queen if Black allows Qxb7. As always in chess, no free lunch.|
|Jul-02-06|| ||James Demery: Against the Kings Indian or the Dutch is it best to transpose into the Queens Gambit? I read the Colle is not very effective against those systems. Is that true?|
|Nov-25-06|| ||Kwesi: What about this for my new crazy idea:
1. d4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. e3 e6
4. Bd3 c5
5. c3 Nc6
6. Nbd2 g5?!!
borrowing ideas from the shirov-shabalov gambit in the semi-slav.
|May-26-07|| ||unluckythirtyfive: Hello everyone. I just discovered the Colle system and I like it a lot! The only problem is, I don't know how to pronounce it. Would it be pronounced "Coal" or "Cah luh"? I am totally clueless! Help please.|
|May-26-07|| ||suenteus po 147: <unluckythirtyfive> My understanding is that it is pronounced "Collie" like the dog.|
|Jul-10-07|| ||Nicholai: I'm currently studying Eric Schiller's New Book "Rubinstein Attack". I decided to learn this opening as my first for white.|
As for "Black" I have no idea what to learn, Someone Mentioned That Colle Was A Reversed Slav, maybe I'll Start There.
Anyhow If Your Seeing This Mr. Schiller, Its An Honor.
|May-15-10|| ||rustyrook: I play the Colle and Colle Zukertort in correspondence chess and I have had a lot of success against Kings Indian set- ups with 1d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 g6 3 e3 Bg7
4 c4 0-0 5 Be2 d6 6 0-0 It makes for sharp games with white attacking Queens side and black on Kings side. But if black plays without the right plan he can get blown away!|
|May-16-10|| ||Chessical: <Rustyrook> You may be interested in the following game which is played vigorously by Black: Kozomara vs Gligoric, 1957|
|Apr-15-11|| ||Tigranny: Wow! Is this the only opening where it shows a great win by NN?|
|Apr-15-11|| ||FSR: <Tigranny> Don't sell NN short. The guy's been playing for centuries, and he's learned a trick or two along the way. It's not like the olden days, when Greco would smoke him every game. On his good days, he's beaten many of the greats: Philidor, Lasker, Alekhine, Karpov, Kasparov . . . . http://tinyurl.com/5s8jnzd|
|Apr-15-11|| ||TheFocus: <NN> is a sly fox, I'll grant him that. |
I think I could beat him though.
|Apr-18-11|| ||Tigranny: Sorry FSR.|
|May-19-11|| ||GrahamClayton: Here is an excellent website on the Phoenix Attack for White in the Colle-Koltanowski, which has 8. dxc5 ♗xc5 9. b4 instead of 8. dxc5 ♗xc5 9. ♕e2:|
|May-19-11|| ||MaxxLange: this is one reason I play 1 d4 Nf6 with Black......if White plays 2 c4, I maybe go for 2....e6 and a QGD, but, if 2 Nf3, I play ...g6, and I usually get a fast equal KID position against some kind of mishandled "Queens Pawn Game"|
Ah, the Class sections
|May-19-11|| ||MaxxLange: Of course White has lots of good QPG options in my move order, and I'm sure that Hebden etc. could destroy my prep, but, surprisingly many B and even A class players do crazy stuff...., they start with the London System and then they lash out early with moves like h4, Bc4, Qd2 and eventually 0-0-0 , as in a Barry Attack, but often leaving their King in the center too long, and neglecting their development. |
It's usually not too hard to beat these club level, hasty, "attacking" players, once you get a little experience with their style. The main danger is actually overextending against patient QP players, who are happy to shift wood around in an equal or slightly better position, forever, or until you make a mistake.
I've always had the impression that the Colle System, in particular, is harder to defend against with 1 d4 d5 than with 1 d4 Nf6
|Oct-23-11|| ||karnak64: <I've always had the impression that the Colle System, in particular, is harder to defend against with 1 d4 d5 than with 1 d4 Nf6>|
Which happens to be today's opening of the day!
What think we of it? Many, many years ago I played it with mixed results. But I was a considerably worse player then than I am now (Maxx, I'm still one of your club-level patzers, but hey, I'm cool with that).
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