|Jun-04-04|| ||rochade18: 3..dxc4, 4..b5 and the fight begins. I have often easily won an extra pawn in this position because white did not always play e3, a4 and b3 (which seem to be the moves way to get the pawn AND the advantage back). |
|Jun-04-04|| ||PinkPanther: That is the Abrahams-Noteboom Variaton that you're talking about, it's not really the Slav Defense. |
|Jun-05-04|| ||rochade18: You are right: I'ts not really the Slav Defense.
But out of this (Slav-) position I always get into the <Abrahams-Noteboom Variaton>. According to the opening explorer most games of these variations are classified as D11.
|Jul-15-04|| ||PaulKeres: What's the thinking behind 3. Nf3 ?
I can't see any reason except just to develop Kingside, e5 is already whites with the d4 move.
|Jul-15-04|| ||acirce: Yes, piece development is an important opening principle so that is basically the thinking behind it. |
|Jul-15-04|| ||rochade18: White plays Nf3 first because 3.Nc3 allows 3...e5! (Winawer countergambit?) |
|Jul-15-04|| ||acirce: <White plays Nf3 first because 3.Nc3 allows 3...e5!> What's so good about that? I think the move is 3..dxc4, used with success by Sokolov for example. It is not considered that good after 3.Nf3. |
|Jul-15-04|| ||rochade18: e5 is considered good if white doesn't play Nf3, though the winning percentage is always good for white. e5 is played after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e3; 3.e4; 3.Nc3 or like I said in the Slav, but NEVER after 3.Nf3 |
|Feb-08-06|| ||foolishmovesss: Anyboy here ever run into 4) Qc2? Just curious what people are playing against it. My goal with d5,c6,e6, is to get into a noteboom slav variant. But if white plays Qc2 as move 4 it really dosent work out. I am experimenting with 4) F5 and transposing to a Dutch Stonewall. Any thoughts?|
|Jul-26-07|| ||BaranDuin: I have faced it once as black and played Bg4. I got a slightly worse position from the opening but eventually managed to win the game (against stronger opposition). The problem for players intending to play a mainline Slav is that they have no real alternative because there are no other moves that don't conflict with a mainline Slav setup.|
|Oct-16-07|| ||arnaud1959: Even in the encyclopedia i didn't find a line with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.♘f3 ♘f6 4.♘c3 dxc4 5.e4 b5 6.e5 b4. Does it exist? At first sight it's bad for black after 6.exf6 bxc3 7.fxg7 Bxg7. But I played it against Fritz by using ideas like Qa5, Be6-d5 and progressively I corrected some tactical mistakes. Finally he won by very accurate play in the endgame without real advantage coming from the middle game.|
|Oct-16-07|| ||Marmot PFL: <arnaud1959> 7.Na4 Nd5 8.Bxc4 and I don't care for black at all. His queenside looks loose but i guess it's playable.|
|Sep-05-15|| ||MarkFinan: Epic! And it only took 15 mins 🙌🙌
[Black "Stockfish 6 (61.4%)"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3
a6 9. O-O Bb7 10. e4 Be7 11. e5 Ng8 12. a3 c5 13. Bc2 Rc8 14. Be3 cxd4 15. Bxd4
Nh6 16. Re1 O-O 17. Qd3 Nf5 18. g4 Nc5 19. Bxc5 Bxc5 20. Ne4 Bxf2+ 21. Kxf2
Qb6+ 22. Kf1 Rfd8 23. Qe2 Rxc2 24. Qxc2 Ne3+ 25. Rxe3 Qxe3 26. Nfg5 Bxe4 27.
Nxe4 h6 28. Re1 Qf3+ 29. Qf2 Qh1+ 30. Qg1 Qf3+ 31. Qf2 Qh1+ 32. Qg1 Qf3+ 33.
Nf2 Qb3 34. Qg3 Qxb2 35. Re2 Qd4 36. Qe3 Qc4 37. Kg2 Rd4 38. h3 a5 39. Rb2 b4
40. axb4 axb4 41. Qb3 Qc7 42. Qe3 Qc4 43. Rb3 g5 44. Kg3 Kg7 45. h4 Kg6 46.
hxg5 hxg5 47. Rd3 Rf4 48. Rd8 Qc3 49. Qxc3 bxc3 50. Rc8 Rb4 51. Rxc3 Ra4 52.
Kf3 Ra1 53. Rc8 f6 54. Rc6 fxe5 55. Rxe6+ Kf7 56. Rxe5 Kf6 57. Rf5+ Kg6 58. Nd3
Kh6 59. Ne5 Ra3+ 60. Ke4 Ra2 61. Rf6+ Kg7 62. Rg6+ Kf8 63. Rxg5 Ke7 64. Nc6+
Ke6 65. Rg6+ Kf7 66. Ne5+ Ke7 67. g5 Ra1 68. Nc6+ Kd7 69. Rf6 Re1+ 70. Kd5 Rg1
71. g6 Rg2 72. Ne5+ Kc8 73. Rf7 Rc2 74. g7 Kb8 75. g8=Q+ Rc8 76. Nc6+ Ka8 77.
|Sep-05-15|| ||Karposian: That MarkKasparov guy is pretty good :)
Well played, <Mark>. When I played through the game, it felt so flawlessly executed. Strong positional play. Good that you avoided the repetition with 33.Nf2 (33.Qf2 is a draw).
I'm impressed. My compliments, <Mark>.
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: Thank you Karpy, I appreciate that. I think I got lucky here though. I must have tried to exchange the Queens 5 times and then black basically handed me the game with Qc3?. I've just been over the game with the engine and I see was only slightly behind (Around the 35th move) whereas I thought I was getting beat by a much bigger margin. Plus like someone told me last year.. Stockfish changes its plan every 4 or 5 moves, I think I'm just going to pay the £3.00 for Shredder. It's much harder but I prefer it to play against. |
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|Sep-06-15|| ||plang: <acirce: <White plays Nf3 first because 3.Nc3 allows 3...e5!> What's so good about that?>|
Although it scores well for White it is very sharp and very theoretical and many White players prefer to avoid it.
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: 3..e5?? I've never come across that move in this opening, mostly because ..e4 hasn't even been played!? I don't understand, lol|
|Sep-06-15|| ||Karposian: <Mark Finan> I guess what <acirce> and <plang> was talking about was the Winawer Countergambit, which goes like this: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 e5!?|
But it's rarely seen, so it's not so strange that you haven't encountered it, <Mark>.
One of the points with 3..e5 is that if White takes the pawn with 4.dxe5, Black can win back the pawn after something like 4...d4 5.Ne4 Qa5+, followed by 6...Qxe5.
Still, the Winawer Countergambit is not considered to be a very good opening for Black. White scores well in this variation.
|Sep-06-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Mark,
3...e5 is the Winawer Counter Gambit.
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And any Black opening with the words 'Counter Gambit' in it is immediately added to opening repertoire.
You don't study it or look it up it's theory or statistics (that will only succeed in putting you off it.)
You play it in the spirit of the word 'Gambit.'
Don't play it against a silly computer because a computer won't get narked.
The nark being the pressure is really put on the White player because they HAVE TO WIN, they cannot be seen to lose against this.
Their friends will scoff, Kibitizers will guffaw and strangers will point at them in the street.
Meanwhile the Black player is on easy street.
If he wins he is a hero - if he losses he is still a hero because of the opening he played. We all love and remember the crazy guys.
The cute reply is 4.e3 and if Black plays 4...e4.
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you have a.....
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Advanced French Defence the difference being in the above position it's Black's turn to move. So White is whole tempo up in this line which cannot be bad.
You can if you want to as Black play the Milner Barry Gambit in reverse a whole tempo down just to see what happens.
This suck it and see method of playing a gambit opening 'just to see what happens' is street fighting chess.
Sac things, if you cannot see nothing to sac wait till your opponent attacks something and don't defend it.
You might lose 10 games to one but the one you win will make you immortal.
Did I just say 'Immortal'.
Kieseritsky beat Anderssen more times than Anderssen beat Kieseritsky
but which game do they remember?
Johnny Hector plays the Winawer Counter Gambit and yes he has been known to play a reversed Milner Barry a tempo down.
A Goloshchapov vs Hector, 2009
He lost, but I remember his name. The other guy....I've forgotten who ever that was already. He may have won the miserable point but Hector gets the respect.
|Sep-07-15|| ||NeverAgain: /me applauds - a magnificent post, Sally!|
|Sep-07-15|| ||PhilFeeley: I've never understood the difference between the Slav and semi-Slav. Can anyone tell me? Is it ...e6?|
|Sep-07-15|| ||perfidious: The difference is that after the position arising from 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3, 4....dxc4 heads for the main lines of the Slav, whereas 4....e6 is the Semi-Slav.|
|Sep-07-15|| ||MarkFinan: Awww thank you Karpy and Sally. That's very kind and helpful of you both, I appreciate it. Sally you went beyond the call of duty, you're a gentleman Sir. And so is Karpy but you know what I mean. Thank you.|
|Sep-07-15|| ||saturn2: The Winawer Countergambit is rarely seen. Not that it is so dubious. But in an ordinary gambit the one who plays the gambit is the first to make the offer, which the opponent can accept or reject.|
But in the Winawer CG the first to make the offer (3Nc3 instead of 3Nf3) is white. So if a Blackplayer wants to play the Winawer CG he depends on the grace of the Whiteplayer.