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|Apr-06-06|| ||keypusher: Hard to imagine a less promising opening for White. But here are Botvinnik's games with it in the database (+6-0=3):|
|Apr-06-06|| ||who: Sneaky's comment on Botvinnik vs Tal, 1961 is very important. It shows how the exchange slav can be played for a win.|
|Apr-06-06|| ||keypusher: Nice game!
Botvinnik vs A Pomar-Salamanca, 1966
As is this one, which I found via <sneaky>'s comments to Botvinnik-Tal.
|Apr-06-07|| ||gambitfan: Chess Opening of the Day 06/04/2007...
This opening seems so boring! Too symmetrical in my taste... Should lead to a draw, shouldn't it ?
|Apr-06-07|| ||whiskeyrebel: A draw? judging from books I've studied it's just not that simple. Symmetrical openings like this can break wide open at the eventual point in which the symmetry must be broken...leaving a jolly swathe of "fighting" guts and gore strewn across the board.|
|Apr-13-07|| ||micartouse: <judging from books I've studied it's just not that simple. >|
I totally agree. I just took up the Slav, and naturally many White players take comfort in cxd5. At first I was getting hammered, but I started realizing they were making serious mistakes and I wasn't responding properly.
The Slav Exchange should be a fun, sharp game for either side with some practice. There are a couple variations with a lot of symmetry and exchanges, but usually this doesn't come up unless White really knows how to do it and wants to.
|May-26-07|| ||tonsillolith: What accounts for the greater percentage of wins by Black for this opening in this database? Its not much but here is the first place I've seen with more wins for Black than White. The only possible reason I can think of is that weaker players tend to play it more against stronger players due to its drawish reputation. Is there any other explanation?|
|May-06-08|| ||KingG: <tonsillolith> It could be that some people play this under the impression that the worst result they can get is a draw, and then get a bit careless.|
|May-06-08|| ||RookFile: I think you're right, tonsillolith, it is a case of weaker players playing this against stronger players. There's nothing wrong with the system, of course, Reshevsky used to play this, but most players at the highest level don't play this way.|
Reshevsky vs Najdorf, 1953
|May-06-08|| ||Open Defence: <leaving a jolly swathe of "fighting" guts and gore strewn across the board.> eewwwwww|
|Dec-04-08|| ||Alphastar: I decided to try the slav for the first time in an OTB game last friday. My opponent played the exchange, I screwed up the whole game and lost badly. Probably my worst game of 2008. I'm never going to touch the slav again.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||Archswindler: <KingG: In fact there are probably even more dull lines in the KID than the Semi-Slav. For example, when White plays dxe5 dxe5, Qxd1; or the fianchetto lines which i also find quite boring.>|
The KID exchange isn't that bad. Black has a slight advantage.
In the exchange slav, or exchange KID, black also has the psychological advantage of knowing that his opponent is a putrid coward.
|Apr-05-09|| ||KingG: <Archswindler> I didn't play the KID back then and didn't really know what I was talking about. Now I would consider the Exchange KID to be much more interesting than the Exchange Slav.|
I wouldn't go as far as saying that Black is slightly better in the exchange. I think the position is equal, and if Black isn't careful he can be worse because of his hole on d4, but his early initative should give him enough for an equal game. I would never play it as White though, and I do think it's a pretty cowardly opening.
|Jun-29-09|| ||refutor: i was mucking around with the opening explorer and if Black really doesn't want to play the Slav Exchange, it appears he can fairly easily transpose into the Grünfeld by playing ...g6 instead of ...e6|
|Jun-18-10|| ||Minty: According to the db, the percentage of black wins in the exchange variation isn't much different to the slav main line, so if it is drawish, it appears to be entirely at white's expense.|
|Feb-15-11|| ||KingG: <The opening of the day and one of the most boring openings of all. I consider it rude to play this opening.> I was just reading some of my old comments, and was struck by how stupid I was back then. While I still don't play the exchange Slav(except through a move order like 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 g6 5.cxd5! cxd5 6.Bf4), it is a perfectly legitimate opening, and at anything below at least 2600 level probably offers decent winning chances in the hands of a strong positional player. It certainly would at my current level, let alone my 2005 level. I would even say that quite interesting positions can arise in this opening, although more often for White than Black. No doubt my judgement of this opening was strongly influenced by the fact that at that time I played the Semi-Slav with Black, and resented having this played against me. Luckily I've since grown up a bit, and no longer make judgements on openings based on emotions. My almost total lack of positional understanding at the time probably also contributed to me making these ridiculous statements.|
|Feb-15-11|| ||Akavall: <KingG> Yes I remember threatening to play exchange-slav against you :).|
If you have time now days, let me know if you are up for a few games.
|Feb-19-11|| ||KingG: <Akavall> Sure. What time are you likely to be online?|
|Feb-19-11|| ||Akavall: <KingG> I am online now, I am online most of the evenings (US Eastern time). |
The thing is that my MSN messenger is not working, so it makes it hard to coordinate.
|Feb-20-11|| ||KingG: <Akavall> I am 5 hours ahead of you, and since I try not to sleep too late these days, it might be a bit difficult to play unless you are free at around 5pm (your time). 6pm is about the very latest I can do.|
|Feb-20-11|| ||Akavall: 5 pm my time is fine. I could play now (4:06 pm).|
|Feb-20-11|| ||KingG: <Akavall> Sorry I didn't see your message earlier. I'm on playchess now if you are free to play.|
|Feb-20-11|| ||Akavall: No problem, of course.
I am there now, what's your handle there?
|Feb-20-11|| ||KingG: <Akavall> Sorry I couldn't chat. It was disabled. Thanks for the games.|
|Feb-20-11|| ||Akavall: Thanks you too, some were really good.
Do you want to talk about the games elsewhere?
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