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|Jan-09-04|| ||AdrianP: Someone posted a query about what is the point in the 4...a6 Slav (the query was on a specific game - but I thought I'd reply here). Here's what Burgess has to say in his book on the Slav.|
"This little move has several ideas. Most obviously, B prepares ...b5 which grabs some space and also forces W to act on the queenside, which often stabilizes that part of the board, or else gives B counterplay. B also prepares to develop his queen's bishop since after ...a6 (and possibly ...b5), W's attack on b7 (by Qb3) has less sting. Note that B also has the idea of ...Ra7 in reply to Qb3, so he is not committed to the possible loosening ...b5. Of course, ...Ra7 looks completely absurd, but then again Qb3 isn't so useful in itself. The R often just returns to a8, once its job is done on a7. Also, by waiting for a move, B makes it easier to determine where to put his Q bishop: if W plays e3 then ...Bg4 is a natural reply, as it now pins the f3-knight. One further point is that B's idea of ...dxc4 is now slightly more of a threat, although there are only a few lines where he actually carries this out.".
Burgess' point about ...a6 being as a waiting move is an interesting one. It is often very useful to wait until the other side has committed to a plan to decide on one's best deployment of pieces. This is a modern theme which runs counter to the 'classical' rule of develop quickly. IM Watson has some interesting things to say about this in "Chess Strategy in Action" (I think).
|Jan-10-04|| ||refutor: i'm sure the idea of ...a6 as a waiting move was borrowed from such opening as the kan sicilian and the najdorf, where you want to take up space on the queenside but it's better to let white "show his hand" first |
|Sep-16-04|| ||Knight13: Hard Opening. |
|Sep-16-04|| ||offramp: It is a hard opening; it is 'the Ruy Lopez on the queenside'as Pillsbury said.|
I used to always play on the next board to a guy named David Mander. If his opponent played 1.d4 he couldn't think of anything alse to play except 1...d5.
So what could his opponent play then except 2.c4, either before or after ♘f3?
His game would go down that incredibly dull positional route - pressure on the c-file, ♕ on d5, massive exchange of all the pieces... YAAAWN.
Meanwhile, I was playing the Grunfeld, and having a lot of fun whether I won or lost.
He said, 'Hoe do you get into these positions?' meaning the wacky positions that you can get in the Grunfeld, and I said, Well I don't play the QGD anymore, that's for certain!
|Sep-16-04|| ||Giancarlo: The thing about the QGD is that there are so many variables to consider.|
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6
Slav; which takes away the c6 post for the b8 knight
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6
Swiss; which closes in the KS bishop.
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4
Exchange; allows white to dominate the center and regain the pawn.
That's why I always play Dutch :-)
|Sep-17-04|| ||offramp: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 Swiss; which closes in the KS bishop.> I've never heard that calle dthe Swiss before. |
|Sep-17-04|| ||Dudley: In the Swiss QGD black makes the move a6 at some point in the early opening-its just another variety of the "Orthodox Queen's Gambit Declined" complex. |
|Dec-14-04|| ||themindset: <The thing about the QGD is that there are so many variables to consider.>...<1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4
Exchange; allows white to dominate the center and regain the pawn.>|
um... that would be a Queen's Gambit Accepted.
|Mar-01-05|| ||Granite: <Sneaky> I think mprchess' clock has run out at this point. ;) |
|Apr-13-05|| ||azaris: 4...a6 seems to be all the rage nowadays, though the results are not very convincing for Black it seems.|
For example, 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 a6 5. c5 Nbd7 6. Bf4 Nh5 7. Bd2! doesn't seem to impress White all that much as can be seen in the total rout Lautier vs V Malakhov, 2004. It seems like the plan with g6 is too slow and White can't be prevented from playing the break e4 liberating his game. In some cases Black's development lags so behind that White can just O-O-O and start a kingside pawn rush. Very nasty.
Erenburg tried an interesting gambit in B Avrukh vs S Erenburg, 2005. It doesn't seem too menacing though.
How should Black attempt to catch up in development?
|Aug-21-05|| ||waddayaplay: Commenting on the opening of the day.
azaris, according to Opening Explorer, the line with Bd2 is not very rewarding for white though... Link here...
|Aug-21-05|| ||azaris: <waddayaplay> Chessgames.com is lacking lots is recent games, and it seems major theory is still being crafted in this line. In any case, it seems after Bd2 Black might as well repeat with Nhf6 Bf4, since g6 e4 seems good for White (see Opening Explorer).|
|Apr-01-06|| ||DeepBlade: Try this opening
Tan Zhongyi vs A Stefanova, 2004
|Apr-09-06|| ||WTHarvey: Here's a collection of puzzles from the Slav (D15): http://www.wtharvey.com/d15.html What's the winning move?|
|Aug-06-06|| ||oao2102: Any thoughts on 1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. e4 ? I believe it is called the Geller (Tolush) gambit.|
|Sep-06-06|| ||soughzin: I'm also interested in the geller gambit oao. I don't own any slav books so I don't know the nitty gritty theory. Looks like its dangerous but if black knows their theory it tends to equal out. Kind of a dilemma as I enjoy playing a sound gambit and it would fit into the theme of e4 in my typical response to the slav but if it's objectively worse than 5.a4 than perhaps I shouldn't waste my time?|
|Sep-06-06|| ||jamesmaskell: This opening is hugely popular these days. This opening WILL appear in the upcoming WC match and on more than one occasion, that I have no doubt about.|
|Sep-06-06|| ||NateDawg: <soughzin> and <oao2102> I don't claim to be an expert on the Slav Defense, but here is what Eric Schiller said about the Geller Gambit in "Standard Chess Openings":|
"The Geller Gambit has become enormously popular and now has a vast body of theory supporting it. As with many variations of the Slav, White gives up the c-pawn for control of the center. This opening can also be reached via the Queen's Gambit Accepted (cf. 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6) and is equally popular there. Actually, the main ideas of the gambit were worked out by Tolush in 1947, but it is Geller who worked to establish the gambit as a respectable opening by playing it consistently and finding many improvements for White."
The main line runs 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. ♘f3 ♘f6 4. ♘c3 dxc4 5. e4 b5 6. e5 ♘d5 7. a4 e6 8. axb5 ♘xc3 9. bxc3 cxb5 10. ♘g5 ♗b7 11. ♕h5 g6 12. ♕g4 ♗e7 13. ♗e2 ♘d7.
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Now, the old continuation was 14. h4?! h5 15. ♕g3 ♘b6 16. 0-0 a5! and White is probably worse. Now, 14. ♗f3 is most common, a move with which Fritz 9 agrees. Fritz evaluates the position after 14...♗xf3 15. ♕xf3 0-0 as (-0.30), but computers aren't as great at evaluating positional compensation.
Overall, it seems to be a fine gambit for those looking for a sharp and exciting game.
|Sep-06-06|| ||NateDawg: By the way, a great game with the Geller Gambit is Geller vs Unzicker, 1952|
|Jun-14-07|| ||whatthefat: As White, 4...a6 is my biggest problem with the Slav. I simply can't find an effective system against it. The aggressive 5.Bg5 doesn't seem to really work. 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Bf4 Nc6 is a perfectly comfortable exchange variation for Black. 5.c5 is a nice idea, but perhaps overly ambitious, as theory seems to suggest Black is okay. Maybe I need to settle for 5.e3. Does anyone else have the same problem?|
|Jan-15-08|| ||parmetd: Anyone know where I can find a ton of games on the geller gambit? (with this version of it being (after 5. e4 b5) 6. a3 e6 7. Bg5|
|Jul-10-09|| ||Everett: <Whatthefat>
It's been a while, but I like this straightforward treatment from Seirawan.
Seirawan vs Zhu Chen, 2002
|Jan-03-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <whatthefat> I usually play 5 e3 but don't get very much. The only problem with the Slav is getting winning chances for black.|
|May-07-11|| ||LDJ: Last tuesday I met the 5.Ne5 variation in the Slav over the board. It's not played very much, but I lost in 17 moves. It seems to be quite hard to deal with if you're unprepared (BTW, my opponent wasn't prepared either).|
|Jan-23-12|| ||Penguincw: Opening of the Day
Slav, w/ 4...a6
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.♘f3 ♘f6 4.♘c3 a6
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