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|Jun-20-05|| ||azaris: <vampiero> Centuries of analysis. There are no good lines for Black where he gets to keep the pawn. White plays e4, Nf3 and Ng5 to grab the center while Black busies himself with pushing pawns.|
|Jul-04-05|| ||tintin: <azaris>, actually, there are, but only if white stuffs up.
<vampiero>, i play it regularly with good results (as black), but don't try to keep the pawn. Many GMs, eg Anand, use it with good results, so just do a bit of preparation before you use it to find the variations you prefer, then you'll be fine.|
|Aug-07-05|| ||who: <vampiero> I quote
Sneaky: Here's a neat line that busts up computers (and greedy beginners) that don't have very good opening books: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 b5 4.Nc3 Bd7 5.a4 c6 6.axb5 cxb5 7.d5! (Hans Berliner) and now if 7...e6 or 7...e5 White plays 8.dxe6 and there is no good recapture; e.g. 8...fxe6 9.Nxb5! Bxb5 10.Qh5+ g6 11.Qxb5 "and Black wonders why he chose this defense in the first place." (Berliner) >
|Aug-08-05|| ||SEMENELIN: <vampiero> what can you say about
5. a4 b4??|
|Aug-08-05|| ||OneBadDog: <SEMENELIN> b4 probably isn't very good, as it removes a defender of Black's c4 pawn; capturing and holding the c-pawn seems to be the whole point of playing 3 ...b5. In the QGA Black has to be careful to not give White a strong pawn center and a large lead in development.|
|Aug-12-05|| ||azaris: Novelty time! After 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 e5 4. Nf3 exd4, play 5. Qxd4!? Qxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 and now 7. Bxc4! Nxe4 8. O-O.|
White gets some good piece play in the center and at least my engines can't find an immediate refutation for the pawn sack. Any ideas how Black should best proceed?
|Aug-15-05|| ||azaris: A similar idea as presented earlier can be found in the following cute miniature. White invests two pawns to keep the black king in the center and then proceeds to win with ease:|
willenbrock - thepure, Gameknot 2004:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e4 e5 5. Nf3 exd4 6. Qxd4 Qxd4 7. Nxd4
Bb4 8. Bxc4 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 Nxe4 10. Ba3 Nxc3 11. O-O f6 12. Rfe1+ Kd8 13.
Rac1 Na4 14. Be7+ Ke8 15. Bxf6+ Kf8 16. Be7+ Ke8 17. Rcd1 Bd7 18. Nf5 Bxf5
19. Rd8# 1-0
|Aug-15-05|| ||dafish298: hey..im a QGA veteran..its all i play against 1.d4 d5 2.c4 and i have had great success with it. Some well known players that have played the QGA are quite large, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, Euwe, Sasikiran are just acouple that i have studied extensively.
The current 'main' line goes as follows:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.0-0 a6 7.Qe2 b5 8.Bb3 Bb7 9.Rd1 Nbd7 10.Nc3 Qb8! 11.d5 c4 12.dxe6 fxe6 13.Bc2 Bd6 14.(e4)
...here plays begins to stray with a good game for black. Black will castle and put his knight on c5 and create quite an attack on white
|Aug-15-05|| ||azaris: Of course Black can intermezzo with 7...Bc5 when 8. Nb3 Nxe4 9. O-O presents Black with a myriad of options. Navara - Jackova, CZE-chT, 2004 went:|
9...Bb6 10.a4 a5 11.Bd5 Nf6 12.Re1+ Kf8 13.Nc3 c6 14.Bc4 Be6 15.Bxe6 fxe6 16.Rxe6 Kf7 17.Re2 Nbd7 18.Bd2 Nc5 19.Nxc5 Bxc5 20.Ne4 Nxe4 21.Rxe4 Rhe8 22.Rae1 Rxe4 23.Rxe4 b6 24.Bc3 Rd8 25.Kf1 Rd1+ 26.Ke2 Ra1 27.Rf4+ Kg8 28.Rc4 Rc1 29.f4 Kf7 30.Kd3 Rd1+ 31.Ke4 Rg1 32.Bxa5 Rxg2 33.Bc3 Re2+ 34.Kd3 Re3+ 35.Kd2 Re6 36.a5 Be3+ 37.Kd3 bxa5 38.f5 Re7 39.Rxc6 Bc1 40.Ra6 Rd7+ 41.Kc2 Bg5 42.Rxa5 Bf6 43.b4 Re7 44.b5 Re2+ 45.Kd3 Rxh2 46.Ra7+ Ke8 47.Bxf6 gxf6 48.Kc4 h5 49.Kd5 Re2 50.b6 Rb2 51.Kc6 Rc2+ 52.Kd6 1-0,
but I think 9...Nd7 gives White more problems. After 10. N1d2, Black can bail out with 10...Bxf2 11. Rxf2 Nxf2 12. Kxf2 O-O and the middle game is balanced but skewed in Black's favor.
|Aug-15-05|| ||OneBadDog: <dafish298> So what do you play against 1 d4 d5 2 c4 dxc4 3 ♘f3 ♘f6 4 ♘c3? That line gives me all sorts of problems when I play the QGA.|
|Oct-22-05|| ||Averageguy: The QGA often gives black good endgames. I play it because I hate to study theory and the general principles can get you far enough. Here is a game I played 8 months ago against a 1448 rated player on board 6 of my then-club. I was black and it went: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e3 e6 4.Bxc4 c5 5.Ne2 (I don't see the point of this move, apart from perhaps f3 and e4, still I prefer the normal 5.Nf3)5...a6 6.a4 Nf6 7.0-0 Nc6(aiming for the weakened b4 post)8.dxc5 Qxd1 9.Rxd1 Bxc5 10.Nd4 Nb4 11.Nd2 (losing a pawn)11...Bxd4 12.cxd4 Nc2 13.Ra2 Nxd4 14.Nf3 Nxf3 15.gxf3 Ke7 16.b3 Rd8 17.Ba3+ Ke8 18.Rad2 Rxd2 19.Rxd2 Bd7 (threatening 20...b5) 20.a5 Bc6 21.Kg2 Rd8 22.Rxd8 Kxd8 (only helping me by exchanging material, my extra pawn is beggining to show) 23.Bf8 g6 (is light squared bishop is technically "good" but it has little way to attack my solid pawns) 24.Bd3 Nd5 (threatening 25...Nf4+) 25.Kg3 Ne7 (aiming to plant the knight on f5 which is a strong outpost) 26.Kg4 Ke8 (hoping he would trade, the bishop endgame is easily winning) 27.Bg7 Nf5 28.Bf6 h6 (a move I like, black's king can't get in because of the small "wall")29.Be4 Kd7(exchanging would only help white, now if white exchanges the game is easily winning)30.h4 Kd6 31.h5 Kc5(another move I like, I don't allow him to brake up my pawns while I continue to invade on the Q-side)32.hxg6 fxg6 33.Bc3 Bd5 (hoping he would exchange, the game would be an easy win if he did) 34.b4+(a poor move, now my king can invade)34...Kc4 35.Bd2 Bxe4(now this move wins tactically) 36.fxe4 Kd3(forking bishop and pawn) 37.exf5 (37.Be/c1 Kxd3 is equally hopeless two pawns down)37...exf5+ (a neat zwischenzug that leaves me up two pawns) 38.Kf4 Kxd2 (the rest of the game is of little interest, here it is) 39.Ke5 h5 40.Kd6 h4 41.Kc7 h3 42.Kxb7 h2 43.Kxa6 h1Q 44.b5 Qa8+ 45.Kb6 g5 46.a6 Qb8+ 47.Ke6 Qa7 48.b6 Qxa6+ 49.Kc7 Qc4+ 50.Kb7 Qd5+ 51.Ka7 Qd7+ 52.b7 Qxb7+ 53.Kxb7 f4 54.Resigns. Comments on this game would be widely appreciated.|
|Oct-22-05|| ||KingG: Ok, i'll give my opinion for what it's worth.
13.Ra2(Rb1 was maybe a bit better) although you're a pawn up, White has compensation with the two bishops.
14.Nf3? horrible move exchanging of a minor piece and ruining his pawn structure, 14.b3, allowing the rook to come out along the second rank was better.
18.Rad2?!(18.Rxd8+ Kxd8 19.Rd2+ was better)
27.Nf5?(bad mistake) Bxf5! 28. exf5+ Kg3 and with opposite coloured bishops it will be difficult to win this endgame.
Afterwards, White has numerous opportunities to exchange his light squared bishop for the Knight, but doesn't take it and plays the rest of the game quite poorly.
Overall you played quite well, apart from the positional blunder of allowing your knight to be exchanged for his light squared bishop.
|Oct-23-05|| ||Averageguy: <KingG>Thanks for the comments, but about 28.Bxf5 exf5+ 29.Kg3 I had actually hoped he would play this, because despite it being bishops of opposite colour, I quite liked my winning chances. I can play Ke8-d7-e6 and f6, my bishop can go to d5, and after b4 my king can come in via c4, or I can play g5 and h5. Still, I might be wrong.|
|Oct-23-05|| ||Averageguy: <KingG>If you have a chess computer, then what's its evaluation of the position after the exchange into the BOOC ending?|
|Oct-23-05|| ||KingG: Ok, i checked with Fritz, and it says -1.26 before Nf5 and jumps to -0.50 after Nf5. But computers often overestimate material advantage in endgames. I think that for all practical purposes, this endgame is drawn. |
Of course that doesn't mean that you wouldn't have won anyway, seing as you seemed to be stronger than your opponent. But i think with best play this is a draw. Even if you can win this, you probably made the task more difficult than with keeping your knight, and ideally exchanging it for the OTHER bishop. If you could have acheived that then you would have an easier task.
Do you have a plan for winning this endgame?
|Oct-23-05|| ||Averageguy: Hm, the fritz evaluation was interesting. My first moves after 29.Kg3 would probably be 29...Bd5 30.b4 Ke7. My winning plan would be f6 followed by Kf7, and then launching my kingside pawns forward. Do you suggest an alternate move instead of 27...Nf5 ?|
|Oct-23-05|| ||KingG: I'm not sure, but anything that doesn't allow the exchange has to be better. Maybe 27. ...Bd5 28.b4(threatening b5) Bc6(preventing it) 29.f4 Bb5 30.Bxb5 axb5 The point is that now White can't really move his queenside pawns, no can he attack yours as he has the wrong Bishop. So you can just put your knight on d5(tying his bishop to the defence of his b-pawn) and advance you kingside majority to create a passed pawn.
This should win.
If White refuses to trade Bishops on b5, say, 30.Bb2, then 30. ...Nd5 and you win a pawn.
|Jun-17-06|| ||auldoxon: I'm really surprised that 3.Nc3 is not a major line of Queen's gambit accepted. I regularly play it with a very good result. I invite everyone to discuss it. Welcome for your opinions.|
|Aug-06-06|| ||soughzin: Is it any better to enter the QGA a move or two later or is it best to do it right off?|
|Oct-29-06|| ||Archives: Alekhine on todays opening of the day <1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4>|
"It is almost incredible that his quite natural move has not been considered by the so called theoreticians. White obtains now an appreciable advantage in development, no matter what Black replies."
Going through Alekhines games, you can't help but notice that he generally plays with aggressive intentions in the opening. He seemed to strive for the initiative after the very first move.
|Oct-29-06|| ||Archives: Uh wait, actually that quote was from an ALekhine game that went <1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 dxc4 4.e4>|
|Jan-05-07|| ||who: <<vampiero> I quote <Mar-25-05
Sneaky: Here's a neat line that busts up computers (and greedy beginners) that don't have very good opening books: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 b5 4.Nc3 Bd7 5.a4 c6 6.axb5 cxb5 7.d5! (Hans Berliner) and now if 7...e6 or 7...e5 White plays 8.dxe6 and there is no good recapture; e.g. 8...fxe6 9.Nxb5! Bxb5 10.Qh5+ g6 11.Qxb5 "and Black wonders why he chose this defense in the first place." (Berliner) >>
Bereliner gives 7...a5 8.Nf3 as best for black. Incidentally I beat Fritz with this line.|
[Event "Blitz:1'+2" (with takebacks for me)]
[Black "Fritz 8"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 b5 4.a4 c6 5.axb5 cxb5 6.Nc3 Bd7 7.d5 a5 8.Nf3 Qc7 9.Nd4 Qc5 10.Be3 Qb4 11.e5 1 e6 6 12.dxe6 fxe6 13.Ra2 Ra6 14.Qf3 Bc6 15.Qf4 Bd7 16.Be2 g6 17.O-O Bh6 18.Qg3 a4 19.Ne4 Bf8 20.Bf3 Bg7 21.Rd1 Qf8 22.Bg5 h6 23.Nxb5 hxg5 24.Nc7+ Kd8 25.Nxa6 Nxa6 26.Rxa4 Nc7 27.Qxg5+ Qe7 28.Rxc4 Nd5 29.h3 Qxg5 30.Nxg5 Ke8 31.Bxd5 exd5 32.Rxd5 Ne7 33.Ra5 Nc6 34.Ra6 Bxe5 35.Raxc6 Bxc6 36.Rxc6 Bxb2 37.Rxg6 Bc1 38.Nf3 Ke7 39.Rg4 Kf7 40.Ra4 Kg7 41.Kh2 Rf8 2 42.Ra7+ Kg6 43.Ne5+ Kf5 44.Rf7+ Rxf7 45.Nxf7 Kf6 46.Nd8 Bf4+ 47.g3 Bc7 48.Nc6 Kf5 49.Kg2 Ke4 50.h4 Bd6 51.f3+ Kd5 52.Nd8 Be7 53.Nf7 Ke6 54.Ng5+ Ke5 55.Ne4 Kf5 56.Nf2 Kg6 57.Kh3 Kf5 58.Nd3 Kf6 59.g4 Bd6 60.f4 Ba3 61.Kg3 Bf8 62.h5 Bh6 63.Ne5
Ke6 64.g5 Bf8 65.Kg4 Bg7 66.h6 Bf8 67.h7 Bg7 68.Ng6 Kf7 69.h8=Q Bxh8 70.Nxh8+ Kf8 71.Ng6+ Ke8 72.f5 Kd7 73.Nf4 Ke7 74.g6 Kf6 75.Nh5+ Ke5 76.g7 Ke4 77.g8=Q Kd3 78.Qe6 Kc3 79.Qd5 Kb2 80.Qc4 Kb1 81.Nf4 Kb2 82.Nd3+ Kb1 83.Qc3 Ka2 84.Qb2# 1-0
|Apr-12-07|| ||Knight13: Some books on this opening:
<"Queen's Gambit Accepted"> by Iakov Neishtadt.
<"The Queen's Gambit Accepted: A Sharp and Sound Response to 1. d4" by Chris Ward.> (1/3 of this book is focused on 3. e4. The author claims that e4 is the real test to this opening and that it's "the way to refute the QGA.")
<"Starting Out: Queen's Gambit Accepted"> by Alexander Raetsky and Maxim Chetverik.
<"Easy Guide to the Queen's Gambit Accepted"> by Graeme Buckley.
<"How to Beat 1 D4: A Sound and Ambitious Repertoire Based on the Queen's Gambit Accepted"> by James Rizzitano
|Apr-12-07|| ||plang: The books by Neishtadt and Ward are both excellent.|
|Aug-10-07|| ||Kriegspiel: I'd like more information (game collections, theoretical background, stats, citations, etc.) on this version of the QGA:|
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 a6 4.Bxc4 e6 5.Nf3 b5 and after 6.Bb3 or 6.Bd3, 6...Bb7.
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