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| Oct-21-05 |
| jamesmaskell: The spelling comes from the fact that normally the e isnt there but instead there is an umlaut (two dots) above the u. |
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| Oct-21-05 |
| jamesmaskell: Its pronounced "groonfeld" as I understand it. |
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| Oct-21-05 |
| hintza: <jamesmaskell> <The spelling comes from the fact that normally the e isnt there but instead there is an umlaut (two dots) above the u> Indeed, Grünfeld is correct.
<Its pronounced "groonfeld" as I understand it.> It is similar, hard to explain and difficult for non-natives like ourselves to grasp. Something like saying a German "i" but with the lips in a position for "u". |
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| Oct-21-05 |
| henderson10: <hintza> When I took German I always pronounced it ('it' being a u with an umlaut) as though it were Gruernfeld, but without enunciating the (second) r, if that makes any sense. It's a bit difficult to explain, and as you said a bit difficult to grasp for a non-native speaker because it is more gutteral than English vowel sounds are. |
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| May-28-06 |
| WTHarvey: Here are 10 Neo-Grunfeld puzzles from miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/d70.html What's the best move? |
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| Aug-14-06 |
| alphastrike20: is the grunfeld still playable at the super grandmaster level as black with winning chances? |
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| Aug-14-06 |
| Ziggurat: <is the grunfeld still playable at the super grandmaster level as black with winning chances?> Peter Svidler apparently thinks so, as he plays it quite often. For what it's worth, he beat the current #1 Topalov with the Grünfeld in Sofia this year. |
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| Nov-23-06 |
| Zebra: What exactly constitutes the "Neo-Gruenfeld"? I have seen the name given to versions of the symmetrical English where black plays an early d5. But in those cases white played g3 not f3, as far as I remember. |
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Nov-23-06
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| hitman84: <Zebra> look for the answer a few posts above, <refutor> has is spot on. |
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| Nov-23-06 |
| Zebra: Thanks, I missed that. I was looking for some deviation by black rather than white. I like the Swedish version "anti-Gruenfeld". |
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| Feb-03-08 |
| apexin: I recently bought a book entitled "how to play the grunfeld" in which the author recommends meeting 3.f3 with the outrageous 3...e5!!? when play might continue 4 dxe5 Nh4! 5.Nh3 (probably the only try for an advantage) Qh4+ Nf2 etc. It would be interesting to hear some opinions on this variation |
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| Feb-03-08 |
| slomarko: <Nh4!> Nh5 |
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| Feb-03-08 |
| apexin: yes, in fact it is 4...Nh5 thank you for correcting |
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| Feb-03-08 |
| slomarko: <apexin> thanks to you for pointing this out. i always searched for some good antidote for 3.f3 and now i'll try the variation you gave. |
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| Mar-20-08 |
| arnaud1959: <apexin> It's a question of style I think. Many players can play 5.g3 here and maintain a solid positon with an extra pawn. When I see that in most of the variations with 3...d5 white castles on the Q-side I don't see why the same plan wouldn't work here. |
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| Mar-20-08 |
| hrvyklly: <apexin: I recently bought a book entitled "how to play the grunfeld" in which the author recommends meeting 3.f3 with the outrageous 3...e5> Adorjan (the originator of 3...e5) wrote about it in 'Black is OK! Forever', 4 pages of analysis. Why won't anyone play 3.f3 against me! |
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| Mar-24-08 |
| Youjoin: <hrvyklly> I´d give a try, why not? I´m <youjoin> on GameKnot... |
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| Apr-23-08 |
| littlefermat: <is the grunfeld still playable at the super grandmaster level as black with winning chances?> I wonder if it's playable at any level. It seems White allows Black his c and d pawns and Black, in return, allows White his king. At least that's how it goes in my games. |
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| Apr-23-08 |
| hrvyklly: <littlefermat: I wonder if it's playable at any level> Of course it is, maybe it just doesn't suit you? It is an acquired taste and not an easy opening, as it's far more ambitious than say, the Queen's Indian. |
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| Jan-04-09 |
| WhiteRook48: I don't like this opening it denies white the f3 square for his  |
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| Feb-26-09 |
| FiveofSwords: This is a samish kings indian. Not a grunfeld. at least it will be a samish if the play continues normally. I dont know about this 3..e5. black loses a pawn and then decentralizes his knight and doesnt even force anything. Which means I dont understand what his idea is in doing this, and more to the point white has about 500,000,000,000,000 different possible plans and ill have no idea how to 'take advantage' of my pawn minus and unstable, decentralized knight in effectively all of them. if you look at 4 pages which deal with every possible variation dealing with one white move...(but there will need to be more than 4 pages for that honestly) then you still have 31 other moves to deal with. This is going to be a lot of work just to hopefully get a playable game, at best. Since the number of possible variations will quickly explode to astronomical numbers, you can expect white somwhere in the next 2 or 3 moves to play something you aren't 'prepared' for, and then you have this crap position and no idea how to fix it. Concerning the grunfeld in general, I used to play nothing but the grunfeld against 1d4 and tried to play it against 1c4. I had a plan figured out for all sorts of conceivable white tries and I became a little bit married to it, but so often I got very crappy positions that I hated. I finially had the foresight to realize the grunfeld is not for me. Maybe other people can play it, but Im personally much more comfortable and happy with the positions I get from the QGA. Its true that the grunfeld sometimes makes very interesting posiitons..but sometimes it makes simply dismal positions and anyway I find that I can make the QGA quite interesting enough, if I'm okay with a little risk. |
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Feb-26-09
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| blacksburg: <This is a samish kings indian. Not a grunfeld. at least it will be a samish if the play continues normally.> as black has played the early ...d5, this is a gruenfeld, not a KID. i've never seen a saemisch KID where black plays ...d5 like this. <Which means I dont understand what his idea is in doing this> it's the basic gruenfeld idea - allow white to build up a large pawn center, and try to undermine it. |
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| Jul-05-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 3. f3???? weak |
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Aug-15-09
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| YuanTi: 3.f3 usually transposes to a Samisch King's Indian, and makes the Grunfeld less appealing to many players who would have played it after 3.Nc3. After 3...d5 White is in no danger. Basically it's sound if you would have gone the Samisch route against the King's Indian anyway. |
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Aug-15-09
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| whiteshark: Following the main moves a bit: <1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.f3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nb6 6. Nc3 Bg7 7.Be3 O-O 8. Qd2> 
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