|Oct-27-02|| ||ksadler: Someone wanna help me with some analysis here...after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O 5. e5 Nh5 what is the move, 6. Be2... |
|Oct-29-02|| ||bishop: 6.g4 winning a piece doesn't look too bad. |
|Oct-29-02|| ||Sneaky: Letelier vs Fischer, 1960 went 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O 5. e5 Ne8 6. f4 d6|
Fischer writes this in "My 60 Memorable Games"
Weak. Letelier snapped at the chance to take me "out of the book," but this premature advance leaves White with all the responsibility of holding his overextended center Pawns.>
|Oct-29-02|| ||Sneaky: By the way: Letelier vs Fischer is an incredibly entertaining game with a surprise finish--if you're not familiar with it you should go see it now. |
|Apr-05-06|| ||soughzin: I'm not a d4 player but I tested the waters yesterday and ran into a KID. I had heard before that its a race often,white attacking on the queenside and black on the kingside. In my game I played d4 c4 Nc3 e4 then got the Be3 Qd2 ram going and traded his bishop like a sicilian dragon. I had all the space and attacking and was up a piece for 2 pawns until I made a blunder and had my rooks forked. Final result was a draw. Anyway are these games common? I rarely see much of a blatent kingside attack from black in say, the pirc.|
|Apr-06-06|| ||Dudley: Many of the famous KID games such as those by Bronstein, Najdorf and Gligoric feature king side attacks by Black. I think the slowness of White's development with c4 instead of Nc3 as in the Pirc gives Black the time to do this in many variations of the KID. The scheme you mentioned with the Q and B battery if best accomplished with the Sameisch line with f3 instead of Nc3. In this line its Black who has to watch out for a K side attack, but White has to castle Q side or not castle at all. In my experience, most KID players live to attack on the K side if you give them a chance. I switched to Q pawn openings some time ago, but I still don't feel I have a reliable answer to the KID. The theoretical approach of attacking on the Q side is nerve racking and sometimes I just don't make it in time. On the other hand, attacking Black on the K side is difficult as usual against the slippery fianchetto formation. The thing is so flexible for Black that you can't rely on one approach to work all the time. White has to be equally flexible at times and ready to change his strategy at a moments notice. Good luck, let me know if you find the answer.|
|May-20-07|| ||get Reti: What do you guys think the best way as white to play the King's Indian is? I've practiced it against Jester and have been having trouble lately. Many times I'm compelled to play d5, but that gives Jester gaps at c5 and e5. So what I try to do is play the samisch (f3) and then play Ne2 to defend the d pawn instead of playing d5, but then I can't castle kingside because the bishop is stuck behind the knight, so I have to castle queenside, but then my king isn't safe.|
|May-20-07|| ||IMDONE4: White has an ez time against the kings indian if he knos wat hes doing... And never, ever castle queenside; its suicidal. You always want to launch your queenside pawns to attack black's queenside, so its not a good idea to put your king there. And play Bd3 before you play Ne2. Last piece of advice: get an openings book.|
|May-21-07|| ||Eric Schiller: Such a simplistic view of the opening is, of course, worng. Queenside castling is normal in the Saemisch Variation and the Bd3/Ne2 system is considered harmless. Indeed opposite wing castling is necessary if White wants to attack the kingside. Chess is much too complicated for mainstream openings to be reduced to a few general positional comments.|
|May-21-07|| ||IMDONE4: I must agree with Mr. Schiller, my previous post oversimplified the incredibly complicated King's Indian; but I was trying to sum up the basic points without referencing the long, drawn-out, 20-30 move lines typical of this opening. There are exception to the general positional rules, like Mr. Schiller pointed out. However, generally you'll want to castle kingside and launch the queenside pawns. Never castle queenside unless you really kno wat your doing, and I would recommend Fedorowicz's book if you'd like to go more indepth into the King's Indian. I am also tainted abit with bias because I personally, who studied alot from Viktor Korchnoi, dislike KID games because they have been played so many times that it begins to get dry.|
|Sep-17-09|| ||therangeravl: First of all, sorry for my bad English. Several months ago I began experimenting with the KID and I must admit I like it, although I certainly like more positional openings. In a recent blitz game, my opponent, a mid-1900, played a very interesting move: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nge2!? 0-0 6. Ng3!? (I expected only 6. f3) e5 7. d5. During the game I thought this development just loses a tempo, compared with the "normal" 5. Nf3, but my opponent crushed my by launching a kingside attack with h4, Be2, h5 and so on (I can't recall the exact move order, I lost on time, but the position was hopeless anyway) My impression was that I have to prevent white from playing h5. I disliked answering h4 with h5, because after Be2 white could sacrifice on h5, but according to the databases, the only other way to achieve this is the quite "unusual" Ng4, followed by Qh4, which leaves c7 unprotected and encourages Nb5 (7. ... Ng4 8. Be2 Qh4 9. Nb5). What do the expereinced KID players think about this (premature?) queen development? What would you play if confronted with Ng3?|
|Sep-17-09|| ||WhiteRook48: seriously how many people will not continue 4...d6?|
|Jan-28-10|| ||whiteshark: <therangeravl: <What would you play if confronted with Ng3?>> I'd like to rephrase you question: What is the best setup againgst the so called <Hungarian Attack>?|
|Jan-28-10|| ||Alphastar: <therangeravl> <whiteshark>|
The best set-up is to wait with castling kingside. I've played the Hungarian Attack from the white side for a while, and this was the most frustrating to face. you could play something like 5. ..Nbd7, and if Ng3 then ..h5.
Ofcourse, in the mainlines where black just castles and plays e5 or c5, black has his share of the chances as well, but refraining from castling really leaves white without a good plan.
Then again, if white answers 5. ..Nbd7 with 6. f3, play transposes to a samisch and you'll have to know your stuff there as well.
|Jan-28-10|| ||whiteshark: Thanks, <Alphastar>!
I'm gonna check the games later. |
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|Apr-04-10|| ||LDJ: I've started playing chess a year ago and have been a chess fanatic since then. But I've always played 1.e4. I want to start experimenting with 1.d4 openings, but I don't know what to do against the King's Indian. I think it's a very hard opening, especially for beginners. Can somebody tell me how to avoid the KID or how to deal with it?|
|Aug-28-10|| ||rapidcitychess: <LDG> Hi! The easiest way to play this is to start with a simple system against it like the Samisch,<4.f3> which is a Yugoslav attack like attack. <Be3,Qd2,0-0-0,Bh6, h2-h4-h5> Of course you probably need a bit of theory there as well.|
Now there is a big, BIG, drawback to this system, which is why it's not played often. The kingside development, which means black can usually get sufficient counter-play by ....f5, and ....b5 which opening the game up to black's advantage.
Thus the 4 pawns attack is okay too, <4.f4> which has a drawback to with the possibility of over extension.
The Classical <4.Nf3> is heavily theorized, but can be learned in a while. But that is beyond the scope of this post (not to mention my brain), and other ECO's is better to look at.
Hope that helps.
|Oct-17-10|| ||LDJ: Thanks for your help, <rapidcitychess>. I've decided to stay with 1.e4 for the moment, I just like open positions, they suit my style better. But still thanks for your help. And sorry that I didn't reply earlier.|
|Oct-17-10|| ||aktajha: <LDJ> The problem is, that for beginners, you shouldn't focus so much on specific moves and opening lines. Just learn the ideas of a system you choose, or play something else. Just play and eventually you'll get to a level to understand the ideas of opening moves and only THEN it's useful to study them. So the things you need to know are ideas, not moves. Learn tactics instead!|
As a hint, at first if you want a double flank storm (love those), you can play the classical with nf3. Only thing you need to know is that the knight goes to the queen side via e1 or d2 and you move your queenside pawns forward. From that idea, just calculate.
Secondly, in the samisch, you play f3, be3 and Qd2 (as said). You push h4 and try to develop your kingside. 0-0-0 and that's it.
Then you can avoid all things by playing somthing like london or 4. Bf4 (ok, Carlsen gets an 'easy' draw Ivanchuk vs Carlsen, 2009, but can lesser skilled opponents as well?)
Then there's the 4 pawn attack. I wouldn't play that unless you're VERY sure what you're doing, overextension
and often black can get a good game.
Finally there's the fianchetto variation. You attack the whole setup of black a bit more positionally. This is just chess, just play and see what happens.
Of course there are many nuances in any system, but if you choose 1, stick with it for a while and learn the IDEAS, you eventually'll understand the resulting positions and play them better and better.