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King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1 (E98)
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 Nf3 O-O 6 Be2 e5
7 O-O Nc6 8 d5 Ne7 9 Ne1

Number of games in database: 2029
Years covered: 1926 to 2024
Overall record:
   White wins 42.9%
   Black wins 29.1%
   Draws 27.9%

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PRACTITIONERS
With the White Pieces With the Black Pieces
Valeriy Neverov  34 games
Lubomir Ftacnik  29 games
Gennadi Sosonko  27 games
Friso Nijboer  16 games
Wolfgang Uhlmann  13 games
Viktor Kupreichik  13 games
NOTABLE GAMES [what is this?]
White Wins Black Wins
Aronian vs Nakamura, 2010
Korchnoi vs Shirov, 1993
Korchnoi vs Nijboer, 1993
Gelfand vs B Kantsler, 2001
Najdorf vs Gligoric, 1953
B Larsen vs Tal, 1969
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 page 1 of 82; games 1-25 of 2,029  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. B Hoenlinger vs A Duenmann 0-1291926DSV KongressE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
2. Gilg vs W Lange 0-1211953FRG Ch 02ndE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
3. Polugaevsky vs V Skotorenko  1-0471953Russian ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
4. T van Scheltinga vs Euwe  ½-½321953HoogovensE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
5. Najdorf vs Gligoric 0-1481953Mar del PlataE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
6. E van Hoorde vs J H Donner  0-1391953Clare Benedict CupE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
7. J Sherwin vs B Larsen  1-0321953World Junior Championship Final-AE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
8. A G Ashbrook vs E LaCroix 0-132195354th US OpenE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
9. M Damjanovic vs M Vukcevich  0-1501953Yugoslav Semifinal EastE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
10. Evans vs A Kaminsky 1-033195354th US OpenE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
11. R G Wade vs G F Harris  1-0561953British ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
12. G Berner vs Yanofsky 0-1311953CAN-chE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
13. B Milic vs A Matanovic  ½-½521953OpatijaE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
14. J Lokvenc vs Petrosian 0-1381953Austria - Soviet UnionE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
15. J Nikolac vs R Bogdanovic  1-0451953Yugoslav ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
16. Polugaevsky vs G Borisenko 0-1421954URS-ch sf GorkyE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
17. N Aratovsky vs Polugaevsky  1-0241954Russian ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
18. I Veltmander vs A I Konstantinov  ½-½341954Russian ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
19. I Veltmander vs Polugaevsky  ½-½331954Russian ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
20. I Veltmander vs V Skotorenko  ½-½451954Russian ChampionshipE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
21. Furman vs E Paoli  1-0401954BucharestE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
22. Evans vs Taimanov 0-1351954USA - Soviet UnionE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
23. Taimanov vs Evans 0-1361954USA - Soviet UnionE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
24. I Veltmander vs N Levin  1-0331954Leningrad Masters & Candidate MastersE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
25. J Jerolim vs E Gereben  0-1321954Amsterdam Olympiad qual-4E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
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Kibitzer's Corner
Aug-11-03  Helloween: 9.Ne1 is a nice positional move. The Knight will usually transfer to e3 and White will begin to push c4-c5, whether he prefaces that push with the bayonette-esque b2-b4 beforehand or not. Black will have to eventually crack the Kingside open with f7-f5 if he wants counterplay.
Mar-17-04  Cerebrate2006: eventually as in 2 moves from now unless something weird happens. I love playing this as black or white, very exciting
Jul-13-04  tomh72000: Yes, the play is incredible where black is trying for ...f5, ...f4, ...g5, ...h5 and so on, while white is simultaeously storming the queenside with c5 and sometimes b4-b5.
Dec-06-04  Knight13: Since White wins more, maybe lots of people who plays Black in this position don't know how to handle the opening, right?
Dec-06-04  Dillinger: White wins more in almost every opening; a better way to assess the strength of an opening as black is compare wins+draws to other openings.
Feb-05-05  Milo: This opening has a terrible record for black, which I find unbelievable, as I have seen it disparged as an opening for white.
Feb-06-05  BiLL RobeRTiE: 27.2% wins and 29.8% draws isn't terrible at all! Just looking at recent games too, Black seems to be doing very well, with 6 wins, 2 draws, and 5 losses in the past two years.
Feb-06-05  Milo: Hmm... I tend to just look at the percentage white wins :). The expected score for black is around .42, about the same as the slav.
Feb-06-05
Premium Chessgames Member		  Open Defence: The %s can be misleading, for example in a particular variation out of 10 games white wins 7, black 1 and there are 2 draws, now a significant improvement is found for Black and black wins the 11th game and players playing White abandon the variation, it will still show White win % at just under 70%
Feb-07-06  NBZ: This line can lead to some very smooth wins for White if Black mishandles the position.
Mar-26-06  Loisp: how about the white knight sac 33.Ndxe5!?
FRITZ 5 - Kotronias V. [E98] (3)

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Ne1 Ne8 10.Be3 f5 11.f3 f4 12.Bf2 h5 13.c5 g5 14.a4 Ng6 15.a5 Bh6 16.Nb5 a6 17.Na3 dxc5 18.Qc2 Kh7 19.Bxc5 Rf7 20.Nd3 g4 21.Nc4 Qg5 22.Qc3 Bg7 23.Bd1 Bd7 24.Ba4 gxf3 25.Rxf3 Bg4 26.Rf2 Rd8 27.Qb4 Bc8 28.Bc2 Bf6 29.Qc3 Rg7 30.Raf1 h4 31.Kh1 Be7 32.Bxe7 Rxe7 33.Ndxe5 Nxe5 34.Nxe5 Qxe5 35.Rxf4 Qxc3 36.bxc3 Re5 37.Rxh4+ Kg7 38.Rhf4 Rd6 39.g4 Rf6 40.Kg2 Rxf4 41.Rxf4 Nd6 42.Bd3 b5 43.axb6 cxb6 44.Kf3 Re8 45.Ke3 Nf7 46.h4 Ne5 47.g5 Rf8 48.Rxf8 Kxf8 49.Bc2 a5 50.h5 Ba6 51.Kf4 Bd3 52.Kxe5 Bxc2 53.d6 Ba4 54.Kf6 Bc6 55.g6 a4 56.e5 a3 57.e6 a2 58.d7 a1Q 59.e7+ Kg8 60.d8Q+ 1-0

Sep-28-06  Erwin.Oosterbeek: I like the idea 9.Ne1 because black can't play 9...Nh5 anymore. After 10.Be3 and 11.f3 White can build up an serieus Queenside attack with b4,c5. Black hasn't much here I guess.

Also the stats are good for White. LOL!

Sep-28-06  SniperOnG7: <Erwin.Oosterbeek: Black hasn't much here I guess> Oh how I'd love to play as black against you in this position.
Sep-28-06  Erwin.Oosterbeek: <Oh how I'd love to play as black against you in this position.>Tell me what's your vision then?
Jan-01-07  SniperOnG7: <Erwin.Oosterbeek> Sorry for replying so late...I totally forgot I kibtzed here.

Anyway, the position after 9.Ne1 is the pinnicle mainline theory of KID! Any KID practioner should have no other emotion than to love playing the black side of this line. Don't mind about my vision...what about the vision of all the GMs who have played or are playing this opening? Search a database for this position and you will find a wealth of games in which Black attacked and mated White's King.

Though if you are Korchnoi behind that onlinehandle of yours, then yes...it is logical that you think <Black hasn't much here>. He is famous for his disdain for the KID :)

Oct-15-08  SniperOnG7: I've stopped playing the KID for a while. Been investigating other d4 defences such as the Grunfeld, Slav and Semi-Slav.

I was bored the other day so randomly played the KID on online blitz. Sincere thanks to my opponent: he used a classical setup (though not exactly this line) and I ended up finding how much I have missed my Kingside attacks during my time away from this awesome aggressive defence.

Dec-14-09  Alphastar: I have been musing about what to play against the KID for a very long time now, and recently I came up with this:

9. Ne1 Nd7 10. g4 f5 (here 11. f3 would transpose to a benko attack) 11. Ng2!?

It is by no means a refutation of the KID but certainly playable and you get unique positions - it has never been tried before (though transpositions to a favorable benko attack are possible, such as after 11. ..f4?!)

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