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|Feb-02-06|| ||PivotalAnorak: No bio for Lenin, no bio AND no picture for Gorky, please <chessgames.com> fix that ^^|
|Feb-02-06|| ||chessgames.com: We can help with the photo but the biographies are the product of our volunteer editors.|
|Feb-02-06|| ||Kangaroo: A few corrections are needed for the photo and missing bio. |
(1) <Maxim Gorky (born in <1868> as <Alexei Maximovich Peshkov>; died in 1936)> did not play chess.
(2) On the photo two players (sitting opposite to each other) are <Lenin> (on the left) and <Alexandr Alexandrovich Bogdanov> (born as <Malinovsky>) - the one who opposed Lenin in philosophical discussions from his purely scientific viewpoint.
(3) <Maxim Gorky> himself on this photo is watching the game, standing by. His wife (or one of his girlfriends) is standing next to him. The rumors identified this lady as <Maria Fyodorovna Andreeva>, the ex-wife of the other Russian writer, Leonid Andreev.
(4) The last but not least: looks to me like the text of this game is made up; at least I had never seen it for all 40 years of my life in the USSR.
Taking into consideration how crazy the soviet propaganda was about Lenin - collecting every piece of the toilet paper that might have been used by the <*leader of the working class of the whole world*>, either way, including his <*brilliant and <valuable> notes*> - this propaganda could have hardly missed such a game.
By the way, I recollect that there had been entirely different masters (not too famous) who played precisely those moves in the 20-th century.
Finally, after all that has been said, the truth is that Bogdanov as player was much stronger than Lenin. So ... the truth is that <Lenin lost this game>, <and <so did leninism worldwide>.>
|Feb-03-06|| ||molinov: <Kangaroo> Question: If Gorky did not play chess and is in fact the one standing by in the picture, What was he looking at??|
|Feb-04-06|| ||chessmaster pro: Quite rare that a player has only one game in his database and already he has a photo posted on his page.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Kangaroo: To <molinov>:
Gorky did not play chess. What he is looking at - is a good question. Perhaps, posing and trying to make you think that he is a good chessplayer, at the IGM or IM level.
|Feb-04-06|| ||ahmadov: <Kangaroo><Taking into consideration how crazy the soviet propaganda was about Lenin - collecting every piece of the toilet paper that might have been used by the <*leader of the working class of the whole world*>, either way, including his <*brilliant and <valuable> notes*> - this propaganda could have hardly missed such a game.> As a person who lived in the Soviet Union for about 20 yeas, I remember that Soviets established Lenin Museums almost in every town throghout the country and these museums showed almost the entire life of the leader. However, they never showed anything that would prove that Lenin failed to do something. So, it is very logical that the Soviets were not happy to speak about a game which Lenin lost.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||durnstein: From memoirs of Krupskaya, Lenin's wife, set down in 1933, speaking of 1908:|
"Gorky invited Ilyich to Capri (where Bogdanov, Bazarov and others were living at the time) in order to come to a general agreement [on certain ideological disputes], but Ilyich did not want to go – he had a presentiment that no understanding was possible.
. . .
Yielding to Gorky's urgent requests, however, Ilyich did go to Capri in May, but he spent only a couple of days there. The visit, of course, brought no conciliation with Bogdanov's philosophical views. Ilyich afterwards related how he had told Bogdanov and Bazarov – "I'm afraid we'll have to separate for two or three years," and how Maria Fyodorovna, Gorky's wife, had laughingly called him to order.
Gorky's place was filled with a crowd of noisy bustling people playing chess or boating. Ilyich did not have very much to say about this trip. He spoke mostly about the beautiful scenery, the sea, and the local wine, but was reticent about the talk on painful subjects that had taken place there."
|Feb-04-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Typical of Communist/Socialist leadership: working to free the masses while living the good life on the beautiful resort Isle of Capri.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||euripides: It looks to me as though Gorky is sitting on something. But the whole arrangement seems rather awkward and I wonder if the photo is a composition.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Nikita Smirnov: I think it's true!Who knows maybe Gorky played chess!Everyone from that time is already dead so there is no provment!Mabye he (the author) found it in a book!|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Udit Narayan: Who is this person?|
|Feb-04-06|| ||euripides: I don't know who Udit Narayan is. Maxim Gorky is a famous Russian writer.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Fan of Leko: <I remember that Soviets established Lenin Museums almost in every town throghout the country and these museums showed almost the entire life of the leader.>
You can still visit his tomb, and wait in line to view his body (or wax copy).
<Maxim Gorky is a famous Russian writer.>
His book are very seldom read since fall of USSR.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||euripides: <His book are very seldom read since fall of USSR.> Is this a comment on Gorky or on the literary public in the new Russia ? I doubt that Gorky's international readership has changed much.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Fan of Leko: <I doubt that Gorky's international readership has changed much.>
In Russian, maybe so (or not). In Enlish translation you have Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov, Pushkin, Solzhenitsyn, Pasternak (Dr. Zhivago) and a few others, but Gorky is mostly forgotten.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||euripides: I don't have sales data, but Amazon lists numerous new publications of Gorky in translation since 2000.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Kangaroo: Translated from Russian to English, Gorky (ot Gor'ky) means bitter. |
His novels - IMHO (In MY Humble Opinion) full of quite a bitter taste - mostly are boring.
Once again, it is my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
|Feb-04-06|| ||Fan of Leko: I can't find any of his books around the place to judge. Used to see much more of them back in the days of Progress Publishers (Moscow). Once I had their Complete Works of Lenin (over 40 vols. - took quite a while to sell).|
|Feb-04-06|| ||csmath: <Typical of Communist/Socialist leadership: working to free the masses while living the good life on the beautiful resort Isle of Capri.>|
Indeed true for later leaders. Maxim Gorki had anything but easy life himself and he was in Capri because he had lung problems due to tuberculosis and to a selfinflicted wound (trying to commit suicide when he was young). He left Russia because of that and because of some disagreement he had with commies aka bolsheviks. Later in life Gorki returned, was celebrated during Stalin and quite possibly poisoned by Stalin's aparatus.
Incredibly gifted and selfeducated writer, lively personality, and interesting man.
|Feb-05-06|| ||durnstein: <Euripedes> If you look more closely, you can see that Gorky is sitting on a stone wall or railing -- at edge of a terrace or patio -- that extends to the right of the woman. The chess game is bogus; the photo probably isn't.|
|Feb-05-06|| ||euripides: <durnstein> yes I saw that, but the railing or whatever it is seems to disappear rather suddenly on the left of the photo. I wonder if the figures were taken indoors and the landscape was added later. The outline of the figures against the landscape doesn't look right, and the light shining off the forehead of the man on the left looks like the reflection of an artificial light.|
|Feb-05-06|| ||euripides: Also the texture of the railing changes: sculpted balustrade to the left of the woman, blank slab to her right. But some of this could be due to early photographic technique.|
|Feb-07-06|| ||durnstein: <Euripedes> I think the balustrade ends on the left side of the photo because there are probably stairs down at that point. I also think the lighting -- for 1908 -- looks reasonable. I say this partly because I have been to Capri once, and the sea breeze often makes the air sharp and clear. But this is all speculation, of course, without an authenticated source for the phot.|
|Feb-07-06|| ||euripides: <durn> I suppose the 'cut-out' appearance of the figures might be due to a greater difference in focus between near and far distance than a modern camera would have - so the figures come out very clear and the background very blurred. As you say it's speculation without the source of the photo.|
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