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|May-26-12|| ||MORPHYEUS: Hey <jambow>, opps, i mean <jombar> stop artificially increasing Nakamura's pagecount. We'll get to 1000 pages soon, if you don't stop. The more pages, the more popular the player.|
You're really a secret fan, arn't you. :)
|May-26-12|| ||SteinitzLives: Looking at the most recent interviews with Naka at the 2012 U.S. Ch., he appears to be maturing but still keeping his critical nature. He seems aware that other than being rated even higher in the top 10 now, he really isn't all that! Which is saying something. Mature Naka, mature, the chess public wants to love you! So confine any cynicisim to the privacy of your own sadly un-coached chess existance, and figure out how to beat Carlsen and Aronian!|
|May-26-12|| ||parisattack: <SteinitzLives: Looking at the most recent interviews with Naka at the 2012 U.S. Ch., he appears to be maturing but still keeping his critical nature. He seems aware that other than being rated even higher in the top 10 now, he really isn't all that! Which is saying something. Mature Naka, mature, the chess public wants to love you! So confine any cynicisim to the privacy of your own sadly un-coached chess existance, and figure out how to beat Carlsen and Aronian!>|
Chess at the top needs three or four Nakas to give it some life. I am meaning the aggressive 'Win' style of playing, not the rest of it. But, alas, historically it appears if you get the one you get the other as well. Package deal.
|May-27-12|| ||MORPHYEUS: <SteinitzLives: Looking at the most recent interviews with Naka at the 2012 U.S. Ch., he appears to be maturing but still keeping his critical nature. He seems aware that other than being rated even higher in the top 10 now, he really isn't all that! Which is saying something. Mature Naka, mature, the chess public wants to love you! So confine any cynicisim to the privacy of your own sadly un-coached chess existance, and figure out how to beat Carlsen and Aronian!>|
First off, everyone can be a cynic. Why do we want him to become a saint?
Secondly, no amount of coaching can make you better than Carlsen or Aronian, unless you're born that way.
|May-27-12|| ||notyetagm: <MORPHYEUS: <Naka not happy with the new book. From Chess Today: >
Stop judging Nakamura. He's got every right to get mad. There was deception in the part of the publishers.|
What was the title of the book?
"Fighting Chess with Hikaru
It sounds like it was written by him. >
How deceptive can it be when Nakamura is not listed as an author??
I was not confused at all. I understood immediately that this was a book about Nakamura's games written by other people (GM Karsten Mueller et al.), just like Mueller's book examining all of Fischer's games.
|May-27-12|| ||tamar: <notyetagm> I have to side with Nakamura on this one. |
If I were a newbie, and not the grizzled kibitzer I am, I would not look for the author's name in smaller letters above the title, and think the small letters "with" in the title at the least denoted a collaboration with Nakamura.
Nakamura did all the work, bringing these games into existence, and here is a publisher using his games, his likeness, and his name on the cover, and he has no rights to royalty on any.
|May-27-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I agree the title and cover design can be a little deceptive. Maybe the title should be "The Fighting Chess of Hikaru Nakamura" or "Fighting Chess: The Games of Hikaru Nakamura."|
Otherwise, Nakamura can be irritated, especially if he doesn't think the book is that good, but he has no complaint that somebody has published a book of his games.
|May-27-12|| ||timhortons: <Naka not happy with the new book. From Chess Today: >|
oprah winfrey is not so happy too about some biographical book written about her.
the untold story of imelda marcos written by carmen navarro pedrosa almost cost her life,for awhile that the marcoses are in power, carmen live in exile in the US.
Bobby fischer too get upset when ever his name get dragged in chess book publication, without his consent.
if naka is upset about it, so be it, big deal.
|May-27-12|| ||timhortons: < Mature Naka, mature, the chess public wants to love you! >|
lol, nakamura never changed, id seen him in person, i observed him and read his interviews.He is who he is.
he will be the same nakamura who will speak up his mind and not afraid of the consequence of it.The same nakamura who is not sociable before tournament start and the same nakamura who play blitz at icc and very nice to his fans.
there you go carlsen said "Fu.ck up" in an interview, but nobody say he is ill mannered, everybody thinks he is cute when he said it.
i dont mind naka say fu ck up too, but i think some people got different standard of judgement when it comes to people character.
what actually changed is naka playing strentgh, he played brutally stronger compared last 2 years ago, now put it this way, once you keep on winning, people like you, nobody like a losser.
|May-27-12|| ||HSOL: I reckon it's very strange that you don't own the commercial rights of your name when it comes to books and films. I reckon the name-owner should get 50% of the royalties.|
|May-27-12|| ||SteinitzLives: My expectations and that of many fans I'm sure, are very low when it comes to the behavior of top chess players, thanks to the many miserable role models who have made their marks in chess history, old and recent. |
Naka does seem to realize he is a public figure. He can behave like hateful Bobby Fischer, or gambling idiot Janowski, etc., or he can behave like Vishy Anand, or Max Euwe it's up to him; but the permananet consequences of each type of behavior, can clearly be known in advance.
Choose saint or choose cynic? It's a no-brainer in every way. There is so little public morality left that is respected in the U.S. that even if he chose a mid-point between the two, he would be a big improvement over the typical money-grubbing, whining, negative GMs out there.
I don't blame him for being irritated about the book, but the thing to do before publicly complaining, is to consult legal counsel to see if he has a case, and if he doesn't, shut up about it, and if he does, proceed with attorneys that zealously protects his interests, as is his right, and do it quietly, it's easier to win that way.
|May-27-12|| ||VinnyRoo2002: I think the behavior of kibitzers is in general far worse than that of players. I'm not even sure how people are so sure of the players' personality. Chess isn't a highly publicized game, we rarely get any insight into what they are like as people. Most top players I meet once in a blue moon at tournaments seem to be quite nice. Some have odd idiosyncracies, some seem to be in a bad mood most of the time, but for the most part, they seem nice. The GM's who give lectures, such as Akopian and Nakamura always come across very well in that setting. If someone in the audience recommends a subpar variation or asks a question, they are usually quite receptive and don't make them feel stupid.|
|May-27-12|| ||SteinitzLives: <VinnyRoo> There are more books and articles written about chess than all other strategy games combined. The historic sources are amazing. The amount of information (and granted misinformation too) flooding through the internet is incredible! |
Just the chessgames.com news section contains tons of information about players and events, although the search engine they are using to find news often brings up chess in its hackneyed context of symbolic use, not a real reference to chess.
The top players' quotes, blogs and tweets are TMI to a painful extreme, so those of us fans who read about them daily do get to learn much, and yes may even think we know something about the players.
|May-27-12|| ||VinnyRoo2002: Yes, but most of that information is about their chess, not who they are as people. Even in their blogs and twitter accounts, they mainly discuss their thoughts and feelings on chess. I can't think of a single malicious statement a current top player has made. They are incredibly bright people, so they may have some ideas that seem strange to the average person, but that doesn't make them a bad person.|
|May-27-12|| ||SteinitzLives: Yes, strange does not mean bad, but it also does not mean good. Most players don't reveal as much about themselves in the mass of chess information we receive, but other top players regularly reveal information about eachother. The key is sifting through what is accurate vs. what is agenda driven.|
|May-28-12|| ||voratco: I think Naka should get paid for the books that was written. It might not be in the form of monetary payment but a special thanks and acknowledgement will do.|
|May-28-12|| ||Kinghunt: Nakamura is eligible to compete in the next Grand Prix cycle: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...|
Officially, he's first reserve, but you know not everyone is going to participate. Nakamura should definitely compete in this, both for the title shot and the extra opportunities to play against other top players.
|May-28-12|| ||Call Me TC: Next time Naka is thinking of essaying the Najdorf, should he contact the Najdorf estate seeking permission? No, no, no...even to discuss this matter is to accord it a seriousness it doesn't deserve.|
Despite Naka's ostensibly Western upbringing and sensibilities, I suggest that he remains fundamentally non-Occidental in nature. In many primitive societies, they believe that if people take your name (as Muller and Stolze have done), they can work evil with it.
|May-28-12|| ||rilkefan: A chess-playing friend with some expertise in a different area of IP points to http://www.caslon.com.au/ipguide26.... and concludes that Naka might have a case - in theory.|
I'm more interested in the mores in the chess world of a GM publishing a work on another players' games. Compare the controversy a year or two ago when Alex Rodriguez ran over the back of the pitcher's mound after an out. Some oldtimers said there was an unwritten rule against that, some said not that they'd ever heard.
|May-29-12|| ||Call Me TC: <concludes that Naka might have a case - in theory.>|
I'm sure that Muller/Stolze would be happy to pay theoretical damages.
|May-29-12|| ||SteinitzLives: I think it's safe to say that after Mullers' book on Fischer and its success, he was probably going to do a game collections book on someone else. The question is: whose next?|
|May-29-12|| ||DanielBryant: He can do one on my games if he wants, and I won't complain a bit. "Play like an 1800!"|
|May-30-12|| ||JustAFish: I think we're reading far too much into the contents of single tweets these days. 140 characters is not enough to support a nuanced, fleshed out, thought. Tweets are temporary musings.|
What I'm seeing here is an indictment based on a lot of extrapolation. One could just as easily defend Nakamura with the same information. For instance, it seems entirely reasonable to me that using the word "with", strongly (and unfairly) implies authorship.
The dynamic here seems to be: People who want to see bad things in the tiniest of Hikaru's utterances, will inevitably find a way to do so.
Speaking more broadly than tweets, I personally have never seen Hikaru say anything as remotely obnoxious as some of the stuff that Fischer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty9F...), Kasparov (in his prime: check out the interview section in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjc... ) or Kortchnoi (*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txei...) has dished out- and, for some reason, they don't inspire the vitriol.
Yeah, Hikaru is sometimes a little cocky (which is par for the course for top players), and sometimes a bit self serving, but he's also very self deprecating in almost every post game interview, and always says "well, I could have played better."
|May-30-12|| ||Jambow: <voratco: My mistake, I meant to say Jombar. Sorry Jambow. :D)>|
All is forgiven, I think the resemblance between <Jambow> and <jombar> was intentional cg.com should list i.p. addresses from a single source as an optional feature for paying members. ;o]
|May-30-12|| ||Jambow: <VinnyRoo2002: I think the behavior of kibitzers is in general far worse than that of players.>|
Agree and most of those who complain are worse than the one they complai about, not directed at <SteinitzLives> btw, just have thought the same for a long time.
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