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|Mar-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: Hi ray. you're not a ray of hope or sunshine. Say hello to your mother for me.|
|Apr-05-15|| ||zanzibar: I'd like to see references for the lemon and the heart both.|
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: Judd and P. Ware played a 5-game match in 1875, four of the games appear here:|
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: There is notice in <Dubuque Chess Journal Aug 1873 p486> Item 965 that Max Judd left the midwest to live in San Francisco.|
|Apr-06-15|| ||WannaBe: <zanzibar> Quite interesting, did he move back to Mid-West? Wiki page entry have his death at May 7, 1906, St. Louis.|
The reason I brought this up, was looking at the date of death, and thinking of the great earthquake and fire in SF.
Made me wonder if he was injured during the earthquake/fire and that led to his passing.
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: From <Dubuque Chess Journal Nov 1875 p533-4> comes this:|
<1803. This is the answer received in reply to yours that the match must be played in St. Louis, and for a consideration:
"In reference to what I wrote you about playing with Max Judd, and your answer that he would play only for what the old miser in one of Scott's novels calls 'a consideration.' I have to say that I do not gamble at any game, and if I should begin I don't think the remnant of conscience I might have left would permit me to put so noble a mental exercise as Chess to so vile a use. I should not mind playing in a general tourney where prizes were given the successful, but to play with one man, for so much current coin of the realm—No 1 I am neither a Swiss, nor a Hessian, nor yet a gladiator to stake my blood for money. "1 had rather be a dog and bay the moon," than such a Chess-player.
The above have always been our sentiments, and this puts us in mind of a St. Louis Chess-player that fourteen years ago, would only play with us at ten dollars a game he said, and now he has just lost a 8200 match in New York State. We have yet (and we are nearly fifty years old) to see any good come from gambling. It unsteadies the mind, makes a man miserable, craving, dissatisfied, like all illgotten gains it brings its own punishment.>
|Apr-06-15|| ||WannaBe: So, we have found <chrisowen>'s great-great-great-great grand father...|
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: <wannabe> I don't know, I'm doing a lot of posting of items I find while searching out other items. So Judd was a bit of a detour for me really. |
Your suggestion is quite possible.
A search for contemporaneous sources of his obituary would be the place to look.
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: From <San Francisco Call, Volume 73, Number 123, 2 April 1893> comes this news item:|
<OBJECT TO JUDD.
Anti-Semitism Has Run Mad in the Austrian Empire.
Vienna, April 1.— The anti-Semites and clericals are agitated over the appointment by Cleveland of Max Judd of Missouri as Consul-General of the United States at Vienna, the opposition to Judd being based upon the ground that he is a Hebrew and is therefore an undesirable person for the office. A petition is being prepared, addressed to the Emperor Francis Joseph an to the Austrian Foreign Offlce asking the Imperial officers to refuse to accent Judd as American Consul-General.>
I don't think it was an April Fool's joke.
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: And I forgot to mention, that he was back in Missouri by 1893 - so <wannabe>'s theory is unlikely. |
The proximity of the date of his death and the SF earthquake are likely just a coincidence.
(Also, I did find his obit in BCM - and he was supposed to participate in Cambridge Springs but had to withdraw due to ill health. Sounds likely his health was poor in the years just before his death).
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: A long write-up by Pollack of Judd-Showalter 1892 has been transcribed by Batgirl:|
This has the best photo of Judd that I've seen, and I'll resubmit it to <CG>.
|Apr-06-15|| ||zanzibar: His obituary, from <BCM v26 July 1906 p287>:|
The New Orleans Times Democrat of May 20th records the death of Mr. Max Judd, of St. Louis, one of the strongest of America's amateur chess players. In the course of a lengthy obituary notice our contemporary says :—" Mr. Judd was born in 1852, and during the past thirty-six years took part in nearly every American chess congress, and contributed generously to Caissa's cause.
In 1871 he won fourth prize at the Cleveland International Tourney; third at Chicago, in 1874; second at Philadelphia, in 1876; fifth at New York, in 1880; a special prize at New York, in 1889; second in the St. Louis, or seventh American Congress of two years ago. In 1903 he won the Championship Tourney of the Western Chess Association, and was selected to participate in the Cambridge Springs Tourney, but ill-health prevented his playing. For several years he was President of the St. Louis Chess Club, and it was mainly through his untiring efforts that the sixth and seventh American Chess Congresses were made possible. In none of his matches against St. Louis players was Mr. Judd ever defeated. In 1874 he won a match from the then well-known Italian master, Alberoni, by the score of six games to three; in 1884 he defeated A. B. Hodges with five wins to the two of his opponent, no games being drawn; in 1890 he defeated J. W. Showalter by seven points to his adversary's three.
Taking into account all the characteristics of Mr. Max Judd's play—its solidity, it's depth, its quick grasp of the strategic possibilities of a position, and so, too, its frequently manifested capacity for the achievement of the brilliant in the game—there could be no question but that he belonged to the ranks of the undoubted masters. Had he, like certain others with a similar natural aptitude for chess, made it the business of his life, instead of merely its recreation, it is not hazarding too much to say that he would have occupied a very much higher rank in the history of the game—fully on a plane with Weiss, English, Kolisch, Zukertort, and even Steinitz, all of his own Jewish race and faith. But that he chose wisely in resting content with a strictly amateur status it is very sure that none can fairly doubt">
|Apr-06-15|| ||WannaBe: <zanzibar> Thanks, my man.|
|Apr-08-15|| ||zanzibar: I have <BCM v2 1882 p358> giving the dob as Tues Dec 26, 1851.|
What is the source of the Dec 27 dob?
Wiki points to another web page which in turn points to a stale web page.
|Dec-27-15|| ||Hobo Erectus: The player of the day Max Judd is Max Surban Gyud, isang baduy na bisakol.|
|Jun-25-16|| ||zanzibar: DSZ v45 N1 (Jan 1890) G-5288 p20
has <Judd--Bardeleben 1889.11 Cafe Kaiserhof (26) 0-1>
game, with M-4 coming, if anyone is interested.
|Dec-27-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Max Judd.|
|Mar-17-17|| ||jnpope: Nice pic of Paulsen. There is famous caption error in the book of the 2nd American Chess Congress. Max Judd has a round face and wore glasses:|
|Mar-18-17|| ||jnpope: After further review I would like to revise my statement; "Boy, that early pic of Judd sure looks a lot like Paulsen".|
In the pix I've compared Judd has a more pronounced ear lobe spacing from ear to skull, and he also has a widow's peak hairline, which this photo also shows. The pix of Paulsen appear to be inconsistent with those particular features shown here.
Color me embarrassed.
|Mar-18-17|| ||tamar: Close resemblance though when Judd was young. Could be mistaken for an antsy brother.|
|Jun-10-17|| ||mifralu: Die Presse 25 April 1882, p.9 reported, concerning ==>Vienna (1882)|
<The well-known chess player Max J u d d will arrive from New York next week to participate at the local Chess Tournament, starting on May 10th.>
"Fake news" as early as 1882!!
|Nov-19-18|| ||Telemus: When exactly did Judd return to the US in 1897? This question appeared in some sense here: Rudolf Rezso Charousek (kibitz #123).|
There is a report in "Neues Wiener Journal" at the beginning of October mentioning Judd as a chessplayer in Vienna and without any indication that he already left: http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a...
At the end of November, Judd is definitely in the US. This can be claimed by three articles in the "St.Louis Republic" dealing with a simul he gave in St.Louis on 29 November.
Maybe someone with access to the passenger lists at ancestry can find out exact dates of his voyage.
There is series of articles on Max Judd by Jeremy Spinrad at Chesscafe. The third one covers the year 1897, but gives no better estimate for the return to the US.
|Nov-19-18|| ||MissScarlett: If memory serves, Judd died in a hotel room in the company of a woman....but she turned out to be his wife.|
|Nov-19-18|| ||Telemus: From the chess column of "Illustrirte Zeitung", 23 September 1897:|
"Der bisherige nordamerikanische Consul in Wien, Schachmatador Max Judd, veranstaltete seiner durch den Präsidentenwechsel verursachten Rückkehr nach den Vereinigten Staaten von Nordamerika im Wiener Schachklub ein Meisterturnier, an dem sich folgende Spieler betheiligten: Hugo Fähndrich, Max Hamlich, Jaap Eden, Max Judd, Albert Mandelbaum, Georg Marco, Karl Schlechter und S.R. Wolf. Das Resultat war: 1.Preis Schlechter 6.5, 2. Judd mit 5.5, 3. Marco mit 5, 4. Fähndrich mit 4 Gewinnpoints."
This tournament was finished in June or even before, and hence it cannot help to date Judd's return to the US.
|Nov-20-18|| ||MissScarlett: From the unlikely source, <The Winston County Journal> (Louisville, MS), of October 1st 1897, p.1, we learn that Max Judd was one of the prominent passengers who arrived in New York on September 25th on the American liner, <Paris>, which sailed from Southampton. Crossing the Atlantic at the time took 5-6 days, so one assumes Judd would have left Vienna by the middle of September at the latest.|
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