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|Sep-22-04|| ||offramp: Here's a painting by another by another Bogoliubov: http://www.abcgallery.com/B/bogoliu... |
|Sep-22-04|| ||Morty: That painting is very Impressionist-like, oil on canvas, with distinct brush strokes. |
|Oct-23-04|| ||Backward Development: When I have the white pieces, I have the advantage because I am white. When I have the black pieces, I have the advantage because I am Bogoljubow. – Efim Bogoljubow|
Best. Chess. Quote. Ever.
|Oct-23-04|| ||Spassky69: <paulalbert> He's German not Russian or else I could pronounce it. <Fine was not such a fine person.> Fine don't even get me started. His book was hilarious and he's so jealous of Bobby Fischer and racist so here's a link about his book. http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_re... it was called "the worst chess book ever written" by silman. |
|Oct-24-04|| ||Chessical: <Spassky69> Bogoljubow was a naturalised German citizen, born near Kiev, in the Ukraine. |
According to Hans Kmoch who knew him,
"in English, it is best spelled Yefim Dimitrievich Bogolyubov.
When he became a citizen of Germany, he adopted the spelling
Ewfim Dimitrijewitsch Bogoljubow to facilitate pronunciation in
|Oct-24-04|| ||paulalbert: Yes, as pointed out, Bogo was not German or born in Germany. Definitely a Slavic name, originally written in Cyrillic alphabet which leads to the question of best transliteration as Kmoch indicated. Either German or English transliteration leads to pronunciation more or less as I originally indicated. Paul Albert |
|Oct-24-04|| ||ray keene: bogo absolutely deserved his shot at alekhine in 1929-his tournament record in the 1920s was excellent-however the 1934 match was a waste of time and bogo only got a crack because he cd raise the finance. |
|Oct-24-04|| ||keypusher: This would be a good game to add to Bogolyubov's notable games:|
Bogoljubov vs J Mieses, 1925
|Oct-24-04|| ||ray keene: <kp> right on-i first saw this game in retis wonderful book masters of the chessboard-its beautiful. bogo was one of those players who-at his best-seemed to have inexhaustible resources at his finger tips.miles was another.does that make sense-i feel this game has a lot in common with miles -spassky montilaa 1978-the same feeling of endless reserves piling in. |
|Oct-24-04|| ||WMD: Bogolyubow had a great record vs Reti with +20 =5 -7.|
vs Alekhine (+15 =37 -35)
vs Spielmann (+21 =12 -13)
vs Euwe (+10 =22 -11)
vs Tartakower (+10 =9 -7)
vs Rubinstein (+8 =7 -8)
vs Nimzovich (+6 =5 =5)
vs Maroczy (+4 =4 -7)
vs Grunfeld (+3 =7 -5)
vs Capablanca (+0 =2 -5)
vs Lasker (+1 =1 -4)
|Oct-24-04|| ||ray keene: in the 1920's bogo won matches v nimzowitsch and euwe and secured outright or shared first prizes in these important tournaments:|
in my estimation that is enough to earn him a crack at alekhines title in 1929-those were colossal results!in the course of these events he either defeated or came ahead of
his last real success was second place to alekhine at bled 1931-then he seemed to fade-tho always dangerous in individual games.
|Oct-24-04|| ||keypusher: Wow, that Miles-Spassky game is a stunner. Also stunning (to me) is that Miles had a plus score against Spassky.|
Miles vs Spassky, 1978
|Oct-24-04|| ||matrix: I agree Ray, it always rubs me the wrong way when I see a comment about 'Alekhine shirking real challengers, and only playing Bogo'. And, as I type this, I see square dance's comments of just that. ;) |
|Oct-24-04|| ||square dance: bogo was one of the best players for a period of time, but i dont think he was ever the #1 contender to the WC. |
|Oct-25-04|| ||ray keene: i have no doubt at all that bogo earned his place in 1929-while on bogo/miles i advise anyone interested to take a look at miles black win v tal in 1984. this game is amazing! |
|Nov-17-04|| ||vonKrolock: Actually i remember of having already defended here the view that Bogo was a rightfull challenger in 1929, but that the second (1934) title match whith Alekhine was superfluous: Well, for Alekhine himself it was probably necessary - to play Bogo in 1934 and in Germany - and not another challenger (who? - Capa, Flohr, Bot...) |
|Nov-21-04|| ||WMD: The May 1990 BCM has this:
Bogoljubow Explains His Defection
Documents of interest for chess history continue to surface in the Soviet press. Memoirs by the veteran organiser Yakov Rokhlin, born 1905, appeared in the October and November  issues of Shakhmaty v SSSR. In the latter issue he dealt with the defection of Bogoljubow in 1926.
Rokhlin states that Bogoljubow resided in turn in Moscow and Leningrad in 1924-25 and occasionally met Ilyin-Zhenevsky and Rokhlin, who noticed that after his long periods of residence in Germany he spoke Russian with a strong German accent. Departure from Soviet citizenship was, on Bogoljubow's part, a reasoned and polite action as may be judged from the letter he wrote to chess supremo Krylenko from Germany on 6 December 1926. The text ran:
"I hereby inform the Chess Section that I am compelled to relinquish Soviet citizenship, concerning which I will submit a formal declaration to the Soviet Representative's Office in Berlin on 12 December 1926. The obstacles with which I have had constantly to contend would, if they were to continue, be ruinous for my family.
With full respects, Ye. Bogoljubow, Triberg, 6 xii 1926."
Then followed this explanatory note: "As a Soviet citizen, l did not receive a visa to travel to Italy (i.e. the Merano tournament) and the same fate befell Verlinsky. Yet this was my last chance to reestablish my material position. It goes without saying that I do not intend to apply for assistance from the Chess Section and would not feel able to accept such help, since the USSR is a poor country.
In one way and another, through my citizenship I have been denied various opportunities to earn a living for my family despite the economies made by my wife.
The earnings which I have been denied this year amount to tens of thousands of roubles. The Berlin tournament gave me very little and the work on the Moscow (1925) tournament book which I have concentrated on for reasons of principle have finally only brought me a loss. My affairs are in a bad way and the only hope is that the New York committee will be obliged to accept my conditions. For the moment I cannot meet my debts, and can no longer hide from my wife that the moment has come to keep my word to her and start to look after my family by removing all obstacles to this course."
Bogoljubow continued by writing that it was a matter of indifference to him how his departure was explained by the Soviet bodies - no form of insulting reaction would induce him to respond. He closed:
"My renunciation of Soviet citizenship will merely be an attempt to ensure the material position of my family. With full respects, Yours sincerely, Ye. Bogoljubow.
I hope for the further flourishing of chess in the USSR."
|Nov-21-04|| ||ray keene: in 1934 flohr was pretty much of a joke opponent for alekhine-he started by losing to alekhine and kept it up.botvinnik was too young and unrecognised as a challenger then-his big successes were in the future.meanwhile capa cdnt raise the finance -while bogo cd. i certainly dont blame alekhine for accepting bogos challenge if it was properly funded-which it was.it wasnt his fault that bogo was now well past his sell by date. |
|Nov-21-04|| ||uglybird: I was under the impression that Alekhine denied Capa a rematch, not because he couldnt raise the finance, but because Alekhine was scared that Capa would clean his clock in a rematch. |
|Nov-23-04|| ||vonKrolock: Yes, perhaps regreting the second Ale Bogo would be repeat the same bêtise i always found blameworthy (and a somewhat rooted one) - repeated in books and on-line here in kibitzes that i promptly warded off some months ago: "If Lasker had played Rubinstein, and not Schlechter" etc - How? The Vienna organizers wished a Schlechter match, not something else - and he surely merited a title-shot |
|Nov-27-04|| ||yoozum: what ethnicity is bogoljubov, besides russian? |
|Nov-27-04|| ||iron maiden: He was actually born a Ukranian, not a Russian. I'm not sure about further specifics. |
|Nov-28-04|| ||ray keene: as far as i can see from the alekhine-capa correspondence after 1927 capa simply cdnt raise the money. this isnt entirely surprising since my impression from contemporary accounts is that the chess world found the 1927match utterly tedious and was in no hurry for a repeat. in contrast the 1929 alekhine bogo match was greeted with raptures of praise by the critics who loved the decisive results and the fighting chess. |
|Nov-28-04|| ||offramp: <yoozum: what ethnicity is bogoljubov, besides russian?> |
Not quite what you are after, but this quote from Hans Kmoch might help.
"The Russian words bogo lyubov may be translated as “beloved of God.” It is equivalent to the Greek Theophil, the Latin Amadeus, and the German Gottlieb. For his name to be pronounced correctly in English, it is best spelled Yefim Dimitrievich Bogolyubov. When he became a citizen of Germany, he adopted the spelling Ewfim Dimitrijewitsch Bogoljubow to facilitate pronunciation in German."
|Nov-28-04|| ||vonKrolock: <offramp: yoozum: what ethnicity is bogoljubov, besides russian?> I dont wish to be pedantic proclaiming facts that are already well know, but for general information, here are some data:|
Many writers from the ukranian scope wrote originally in Russian (somewhat same phenomenon whith the Irish that became famous writing in English) - here the confusion can be even greater because Ukr. an Rus. languages are very near
Before 1918 one could speak about a Ukranian identity in terms of ethnicity, but not on an organized State - the greater part was simply Russia, and a smaller South-West portion Austria-Hungary.
After 1918 the actual ukranian territory was divided between Poland (West) and the raising Soviet State (East) - In the immediatelly following Polish-Soviet War, the URSS lost an important slice to Poland - acc. to Riga's Treatise from 1920 or 21 (sorry quoted by memory)
1939-1945: After a series of vicissitudes (Ribbentropp-Molotov Entente; URSS occupying again his West portion, German invasion, Soviet counter-strike and finally end of WW II the ukranian State acquired the shape we are used to know
Chess players born in the ukranian territory:
- before 1918: Bogo, Tartakower, Bernstein, and surely some others: To assert if, for instance, Perlis or Flohr were from the ukranian portion of Austro-Hungarian or Russian Empire it's an interesting subject (be aware that many places and villages in that Region have similar names... So - Poland or Ukrania can become easily a doubt ...)
Between 1918 and 1945 - Boleslawsky and Bronstein, the other great "B"s (after Bogo and Bot) were also from Ukrania - like a series of other players known abroad as "Soviet" or "Russian"
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