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|Dec-22-11|| ||Marmot PFL: In several countries you can still be imprisoned for questioning the Holocaust, making it a unique historical event as far as i know. (In Iran it may be just the opposite).|
<COUNTRIES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL
|Dec-22-11|| ||Petrosianic: What specifically do these laws prohibit? In Germany, it's illegal to display a swastika, for example. In any of these countries, can a guy on the street get arrested for denying it, or does he have to agitate in some specific way? If someone writes a letter to the editor denying it, is the editor obligated to turn him in? Could Mahmoud himself be arrested if he said it in Germany (or does he have diplomatic immunity?) |
It seems like a dumb way to get something done. The minute you forbid something, people suddenly want to do it. Doing that with an issue where the evidence is so clear-cut is counter-productive. You might as well ban World War II denial while you're at it.
|Dec-22-11|| ||TheChessGuy: Rest in peace, Dawid Przepiórka. We are honored to have had you.|
|Dec-22-11|| ||juan31: Descance en paz Maestro Przepiork|
|Dec-22-11|| ||Caissanist: I don't know whether any countries make it a crime to deny that the Armenian massacres of 1915 constitute a genocide, but France is apparently about to do so: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...|
|Dec-22-11|| ||King Death: <alexmagnus: According to Wikipedia he didn't die in a concentration camp but was shot by the Nazis during one of those mass executions, in <Palmiry>. >|
The article on Przepiorka also states that he was presumably killed in April 1940, not 1941 as it says in his bio above.
|Apr-09-12|| ||Karpova: <Tomasz Lissowski writes that Moishe Leopoldowicz Lowcki, Przepiorka and Stanislaw Kohn, were arrested in a Warsaw chess cafe in January 1940 and were killed in a mass execution some time before April 1940 in Kampinos Forest near the city.>|
Source: Page 220 of J. Donaldson and N. Minev 'The Life and Games of Akiva Rubinstein - Volume 2: The Later Years', 2nd edition, Milford, USA, 2011.
|Apr-15-12|| ||Karpova: <Dawid Przepiorka [...] was a strong master, an excellent problem composer, an active journalist, a tournament organizer and a great philanthropist. Among his many accomplishments were taking first at Munich 1926 (ahead of Bogoljubow and Spielmann), playing on the 1930 gold medal Polish Olympiad team and helping to organize the 1935 Olympiad in Warsaw. Przepiorka, known to his fellow masters as "Pipi", was a real patriot. 'The Oxford Companion to Chess' writes he sold his home to finance the Polish team's trip to the Buenos Aires Olympiad in 1939.>|
Source: Pages 260-261 of J. Donaldson and N. Minev 'The Life and Games of Akiva Rubinstein - Volume 2: The Later Years', 2nd edition, Milford, USA, 2011.
|Jul-27-12|| ||Karpova: A bit more information on the above mentioned Munich tournament:|
It took place from Dec-26 to Dec-31 1926. The Munich Chess Club celebrated its 90th birthday.
1. Przepiorka 4.5
2. Bogoljubov 3.5
3. Spielmann 3.0
4. Saemisch 2.5
5. Gebhard 1.0
6. Schmitt 0.5
Przepiorka drew with Bogoljubov and won 400 Mark (Bogoljubov 300, Spielmann 200 and Saemisch 100).
Source: Page 5 of the 1927 '(Neue) Wiener Schachzeitung'
|Sep-25-12|| ||theodor: <Karpova: <Tomasz Lissowski writes that Moishe Leopoldowicz Lowcki, Przepiorka and Stanislaw Kohn, were arrested in a Warsaw chess cafe in January 1940 and were killed in a mass execution some time before April 1940 in Kampinos Forest near the city.>
Source: Page 220 of J. Donaldson and N. Minev 'The Life and Games of Akiva Rubinstein - Volume 2: The Later Years', 2nd edition, Milford, USA, 2011.> obviously nazists feared chessplayers!|
|Sep-09-13|| ||Karpova: Winter reports in C.N. 8266 that a new book on Przepiorka was published (in Polish) by Tomasz Lissowski, Jerzy Konikowski and Jerzy Moraś called 'Mistrz Przepiórka', Warsaw, Poland, 2013. 271 pages. |
|Oct-04-13|| ||Karpova: Report by Emanuel Rubinstein from pp. 168-169 of the June 1926 'Neue Wiener Schachzeitung':|
Polish Championship in Warsaw, April 19 to May 2, 1926.
Qualification events were held in various cities to choose the 18 participants: Warsaw (<Blass> and <Frydman>, ahead of <Lowcki>), Lemberg (<Friedmann>, as neither Morawski, Popiel, Wojcik nor Wrobel were available), Krakow (<Chwojnik> via "Nowy Dziennik" and <Konczynski> via Master tournament), Lodz (<Kolski> and <Appel>, Bialystok (<Regiedzinski>) and Poznan (<Lubinski>).
Final standings ("Winner Group" places 1-10):
1. Przepiorka 13.0
2. Frydman 12.0
3-7. Kohn 11.5
3-7. Kolski 11.5
3-7. Lowcki 11.5
3-7. Piltz 11.5
3-7. Regedzinski 11.5
8-9. Blass 11.0
8-9. Chwojnik 11.0
10. Makarczyk 9.5
11. Kremer 8.0
12. Appel 7.0
13. Kleczynski 6.5
14. Friedmann 6.0
15. Konczynski 5.0
16. Dr. Smokowski 3.5
17. Lubinski 3.0
18. Woltowicz 0.0
|May-01-14|| ||heathcliff: <Wild Bill:>
That's all true. One of the most tragic and heartbreaking stories of World War II in Poland was case of Ulma family. All the family was murdered by German beasts (6 children - the oldest one at the age of 8, father and mother in ninth month of pregnancy). They were hiding two Jewish families.
Dawid Przepiórka is also a victim of those horrible days.
|Jun-06-14|| ||RedShield: <During the Second World War he was present at a forbidden meeting of the Warsaw Chess Circle. The Germans arrested everyone there and the Jews, including Przepiorka, were sent to concentration camps and executed.>|
I expect the source for this was <The Oxford Companion to Chess>. Przepiorka's presence on the Palmiry execution lists was only discovered a few years ago.
But the <Companion> does relate a couple of pieces of interesting information we can probably have faith in:
<An amateur, on one occasion requesting a medal instead of prize money...> His Wikipedia entry confirms that Przepiorka was a person of independent means.
<Also a patriot, he sold his house to finance the Polish team's trip to the Buenos Olympiad 1939.>
Wikipedia: <...he became the deputy chairman of the Polish Chess Federation in the 1930s. Przepiórka took the major responsibility as a chairman of Organizing Committee for 6th Chess Olympiad at Warsaw 1935.>
|Aug-29-14|| ||Christoforus Polacco: Not secret ''Nazi'' but Germans murdered Przepiorka and Najdorf's family... ''Nazi'' is the gualification use by the specialists of historical politics to blur German's responsibility for Second World War. It's good to understand it.
''Higher circles'' don't use forbidden word ''German''-its ''faux pas'' ;) - but only ''Nazi''.
In chess theory in polish literature, Mr Dawid is known for his ''line of Przepiorka''. In gestapo's arrest he explained his cellmates very clearly how to promote the pawn. The fundamentals squares which the king must control for help his pawn are called ''line of Przepiorka''. One of the cellmates Zygmunt Szulce after the II WW was the co-author (with Gawlikowski) one of the book of fundamental trilogy about the endgame. ''Line of Przepiorka'' is commemoration of the last prison lecture of Dawid Przepiorka...|
I learned this basic pawn's endgame on the Przepiorka theory. Its very easy to remember.
|Sep-25-16|| ||faulty: What specifically do these laws prohibit?
Cannot speak for other countries, but in Lithuania you may get into trouble if you claim that the fact of Holocaust did not exist, if you say that Jews were not SYSTEMATICALLY exterminated during WW2, etc.
|Sep-25-16|| ||alexmagnus: In Germany there is actually no specific law against Holocaust denial. But Holocaust denial is seen as falling under § 130 (Volksverhetzung) and § 189 (Disparagement of the memory of the dead). |
Relevant passages from the § 130:
<(3) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer eine unter der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus begangene Handlung der in § 6 Abs. 1 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuches bezeichneten Art in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung billigt, leugnet oder verharmlost.
(4) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung den öffentlichen Frieden in einer die Würde der Opfer verletzenden Weise dadurch stört, dass er die nationalsozialistische Gewalt- und Willkürherrschaft billigt, verherrlicht oder rechtfertigt. >
My translation (which is quite bad, but hey, try to translate those long sentences well!):
< (3.) With an imprisonment up to five years or a monetary fine is punished, who approves of, denies or plays down a deed, done by the Nazis, which is of a kind of a deed mentioned in the <§6 of the Völkerstrafgesetzbuch>, in a kind which could disturb public peace in a way it could injure the dignity of the victims.
(4.) With an imprisonment up to 3 years or a monetary fine is punished who disturbs the public peace and the dignity of the victims by approving of, glorifying or justifying the National Socialist tyranny and arbitrary domination>.
The §6 of the Völkerstrafgesetzbuch is <genocide>.
|Sep-25-16|| ||alexmagnus: Völkerstrafgesetzbuch, §6, translated by me:
(1) Who, with an intention of fully or partially destroying a national, racial, religious or ethnic group:
1. Kills a member of the group
2. Adds severe physical or mental injuries to a member of a group, especially those of a kind mentioned in § 226 StGB
3. Puts the group under life conditions which are capable of a complete or partial physical destruction
4. Implements rules which intend to prevent births in the group
5. Forcefully takes a child of the group to a different group,
is punished by a lifetime imprisonment.
(2) Less severe cases of (1) 2-5 are punished by an imprisonment no less than five years.
From my above post follows, that denying any of the above being done by the Nazis is punished by §130.
|Sep-25-16|| ||alexmagnus: Denying, approving of or playing down, that is.|
|Dec-22-16|| ||TheFocus: "And a Przepiorka in a pear tree!"|
|Jan-08-17|| ||Nietzowitsch: So <Denial> is not just a river in Egypt?|
|Jan-08-17|| ||perfidious: <Nietzowitsch: So <Denial> is not just a river in Egypt?>|
It also flows through the land of Delusiana.
|Jan-16-18|| ||tpstar: Q: What was the Przepiorka game where he captured his own piece?|
|Jan-16-18|| ||Stonehenge: Przepiorka vs Ahues, 1927|
|Jan-16-18|| ||tpstar: <Stonehenge> Thank you kindly. =)|
Some chess variants allow you to capture your own piece, or promote Pawns differently, etc. That seemed like a strange story for a professional.
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