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|Dec-18-15|| ||keypusher: <BUNA: <sneaky pete: My guess is that Botvinnik didn't sign that infamous letter, not so much out of respect for Korchnoi, but mainly because of his dislike for Petrosian, who no doubt initiated and wrote the wretched thing.> I'd doubt that Petrosian initiated the letter. Soviet officials weren't keen on grassroots action in such politicized matters. The letter came from the soviet chess federation or the sports committee. It was publicized not only in "64", but also in the general sports paper "Sovietsky sport".>|
I believe Petrosian was editing "64" at the time. He wasn't exactly grassroots.
|Dec-18-15|| ||BUNA: <keypusher: I believe Petrosian was editing "64" at the time. He wasn't exactly grassroots.>|
And Dirk Jan Ten Geuzendam is the editor of "New in chess". ;)
Korchnoi seems to blame Baturinsky and Averbakh, both chief executives of the soviet chess federation at the time.
Maybe sneaky pete mixed up the "open letters". In 1974 after losing his match to Karpov Korchnoi in some interview to the soviet press complained about the chess federation backing Karpov. In an "open letter" some grandmasters rejected Korchnois explanation for his defeat. That's the one that Petrosian allegedly initiated, at least according to Korchnoi.
Compared to the other letter this was a minor matter.
|Dec-18-15|| ||keypusher: <BUNA> Thanks, you are clearly more knowledgeable about this than I am.|
|Dec-18-15|| ||Everett: <Very interesting -- Karpov played some famous games with 3.Nd2 before the match, and I would have thought he was really strong against the IQP. Evidently Bronstein saw deeper.>|
It is easy, and prudent, to not completely trust Bronstein in some areas, but regarding chess itself he seemed pretty spot on most of the time.
|Dec-18-15|| ||Petrosianic: <BUNA>: <I'd doubt that Petrosian initiated the letter.>|
So would I. Korchnoi's defection was an enormously big thing. Comparable to Solzhenitsyn, or even worse. Korchnoi was a household name in a country that was so big on chess. There's no way that the official response to his defection came from some magazine editor.
|Dec-19-15|| ||Howard: Still remember Korchnoi's making the cover of "Chess Life and Review" in September, 1976! It also made Page 2 of our local paper when that happened. |
No small thing !
|Mar-09-16|| ||socratos: he is better when playing english opening. but the best game is against capablanca match.|
|Jun-26-16|| ||brankat: <..he is better when playing English opening...>|
Botvinnik was better when playing any opening.
|Aug-17-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Mikhail Botvinnik.|
|Oct-20-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: < Everett: <Very interesting -- Karpov played some famous games with 3.Nd2 before the match, and I would have thought he was really strong against the IQP. Evidently Bronstein saw deeper.>
It is easy, and prudent, to not completely trust Bronstein in some areas, but regarding chess itself he seemed pretty spot on most of the time.>|
LOL, yes, I agree! Bronstein in "chess itself" seemed pretty spot on <most> of the time.
Seems to be a common theme amongst those folk contending for the Chess World Championship, IMO.
|Dec-21-16|| ||HeMateMe: Sting
|Dec-22-16|| ||Gypsy: <"Slightly shortsighted, [Botvinnik] stoops over his score sheet and devotes his entire attention to recording the move in the most beautifully clear script; one feels that an explosion would not distract him and that examined through a microscope not an irregularity would appear. When he wrote down 1.c2-c4 against me, I felt like resigning.
--- C.H.O'D. Alexander >
A great quote of the day. But it had to be <1... c7-c5> that occurred on the board; those two never opened with 1.c4 but played the Sicilian twice.
|Dec-22-16|| ||Nerwal: <But it had to be <1... c7-c5> that occurred on the board; those two never opened with 1.c4 but played the Sicilian twice.>|
C H Alexander vs Botvinnik, 1936 (with the quote in descriptive notation)
|Mar-10-17|| ||zanzibar: I don't know if this has been posted before, but it's some glorious old footage - with a heavy Soviet CCP slant (e.g. May Day parades with tanks, etc.).|
Still Botvinnik is featured, as may be other notables:
<A film about chess "Thirteen Champions">
(You can use CC and auto-translate to get a rough idea of the narration)
|Mar-10-17|| ||keypusher: <zanzibar> Wow! You find so much great stuff. Thank you for sharing.|
|Apr-04-17|| ||keypusher: Here, by the way, is a better version of Botvinnik's picture:|
We can see that the cg photo is reversed. The Getty site says the picture is from Moscow in 1951, but I assume that's incorrect. I would guess the game was played sometime in the 1950s in the West, perhaps at the showroom of a rug merchant. But I can't identify the game.
|Apr-04-17|| ||keypusher: There are some Soviet publications in the foreground, too.|
|Apr-04-17|| ||zanzibar: <keypusher> an eagle-eye would have noticed the left-most square being white in the <CG> photo, indicating the photo was reversed.|
The big pile of magazines are "Chess in the USSR".
(Шахматы в СССР aka Shakhmaty v SSSR)
Not sure what the other periodic is though. Probably could date the game from the periodicals though.
I had a hard time getting a clear view of the high resolution image with all the embedding. Here it is:
The caption locates the date and place - Moscow 1951.
Let me see if I can use the doubled-pawns on the c-file (and maybe the rook on h2) to find the exact game with SCID:
Nope - no luck.
That configuration of White pieces (P/c4,5,f3,g4; R/h2; K/e4) doesn't show up in <MB> or <RUSbase>.
Might be a practice game. It doesn't look as if they were recording the moves, right?
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|Jun-22-17|| ||Howard: Speaking of Botvinnik, Short has a column about him in the latest issue of NIC (#4). Just came in the mail today.|
|Jun-22-17|| ||morfishine: Whats incredible is that Botvinnik lost the title twice and re-attained it twice|
|Jun-25-17|| ||Howard: Short definitely didn't approve of that, though !|
|Jul-01-17|| ||MissScarlett: Regarding Botvinnik's clock simul in London, 1981, basic data is here:|
If someone has access to the 1981 <BCM> could they confirm the details and say how many game scores are given?
<cg.com> has games vs. Conquest, Jacobs and Byron.
Your next task will be to submit any other games....
|Jul-01-17|| ||TheFocus: The gamescores given are not the only ones.
Part 1 in May 1891 gives Jacobs, Conquest and Byron. Part 2 in June gives the following score and final moves of the game with King.
Botvinnik - Lane, Gary
1.Nf3 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Ng5 d5 4.d3 Qd6 5.dxe4 h6 6.Nf3 dxe4 7.Nfd2 Nf6 8.Nc3 Bf5 9.Nb5 Qd7 10.Nc4 Qxd1+ 11.Kxd1 Na6 12.Be3 c6 13.Nd4 e6 14.Be2 0-0-0 15.Kc1 Bc5 16.c3 Rhe8 17.Ne5 Bxd4 18.Bxd4 c5 19.Be3 Nd5 20.Bd2 Nac7 21.Nf7 Rd7 22.Ne5 R7d8 draw.
Botvinnik - King, Daniel
White: Kh1, Qd2, Ra1, Bg2, Ne5, Ps at d4, e3, f2, g3, h2.
Black: Kg8, Qe7, Re6, Bf8, Na7, Ps at b5, c6, d5, f7, g6, h7.
41.Qa5 Nc8 42.Qa6 Qe8 43.Qb7 Nd6 44.Qxc6 Qxc6 45.Nxc6 Ne4 46.Bxe4 dxe4 47.Rc1 Re8 48.Kg2 f5 49.Rc2 Bd6 50.Rb2 b4 51.f3 and adjudicated as a draw.
BCM, June 1981, pg. 224.
I don't submit games.
|Jul-01-17|| ||keypusher: <Howard: Speaking of Botvinnik, Short has a column about him in the latest issue of NIC (#4). Just came in the mail today.>|
Anything worth sharing in the article? Apart from disapproval of rematches?
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