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Jul-22-13
 | | tamar: A cache of cliche has a certain cachet. |
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Jul-22-13
| | tamar: My own cliche is that Botvinnik, having achieved his greatest creativity in the 1930's and 40's, adapted to age by adding elements to his preparation every year, that other players were not even thinking about. He saw the title as an advantage. He used its prestige to get others to do analytical work for him. Any variation was in that sense a sitting duck for him. He knew that he could analyze it collectively, and outdo any lone grandmaster. |
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| Jul-22-13 | | BlackFront: Old dog had to learn new tricks. Dangerous opponents could no longer be executed, exiled or otherwise emasculated. |
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Jul-22-13
 | | perfidious: <beatgiant....In the case of Capablanca-Lasker, Lasker went into semi-retirement from chess and did not seek a return match.> Which semi-retirement may have proved permanent, had it not been for the strutting little wretch from Braunau am Inn and his minions. |
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| Jul-25-13 | | Expendable Asset: Botvinnik was still a World Champion, no matter what anybody says about him. Become a World Champion yourself, and then we'll talk. |
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| Aug-01-13 | | Tatumart: Nice dialogue going :)
I do not think Botvinnik retired early, he was 59 or 60 when he stopped playing in 1970. And after he lost to Tigran in '63 he did play over 200 more games...only loosing 17 I believe with 100 wins.
He also took the time to annotate hundreds of his games. He mentions that his defeat of Larsen at Leiden in 1970 was the last tournament win in his career. This was the Larsen that was rated number one in the West at the time. Not a bad ending for the old man, eh? |
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| Aug-02-13 | | Expendable Asset: <Tatumart> And he accomplished all of his chess feats while doing electrical engineering and later computer science at the same time. He was a true genius with a magnificent mind, despite what many other people may think. |
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Aug-02-13
 | | Benzol: You certainly have to respect the man. His capacity for work in the fields he studied was simply staggering. |
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Aug-02-13
 | | HeMateMe: Probably the only great player to have simultaneously excelled in another, difficult field. After retiring from chess he worked on an early, primitive computer chess program. When he analyzed with Reshevsky, I wonder if Sammy enquired about new topics in electrical engineering, and Misha asked Sammy if he had done any interesting tax returns of late? I suppose not... |
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| Aug-02-13 | | ughaibu: <Probably the only great player to have simultaneously excelled in another, difficult field.> Rubbish. It is generally acknowledged that Botvinnik made no great contribution to the development of computer chess. On the other hand it is generally acknowledged that Lasker made a significant contribution to maths: http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk... |
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| Aug-02-13 | | DoctorD: What about Euwe? School teacher for many years as well as World Champ, then professor, author of numerous books, and President of FIDE during some heady years. |
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Aug-02-13
 | | hms123: Mark Taimanov <However, few players have beaten six world champions (Botvinnik, Vasily Smyslov, Mikhail Tal, Tigran Petrosian, Spassky, and Anatoly Karpov) as Taimanov has.> and
<Taimanov was a top concert pianist in the Soviet Union. With his first wife, Lyubov Bruk, he formed a piano duo, some of whose recordings were included in the Philips and Steinway series Great Pianists of the 20th Century.> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_T... |
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| Aug-02-13 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<hms123>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIj...
There is a lovely story about how Smyslov and Taimanov entertained fellow players at the Venice 1950 tourney. Mark tinkled the Ivory whilst Vassily sang. |
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Aug-02-13
| | HeMateMe: <ughaibu: > I didn't claim he "made a great contribution to computer chess", you nitwit. He WAS an electrical engineer. I think that requires the normal undergraduate degree and probably a masters in something. I think you excel in math if you have an electrical engineering degree. He did some work on a crude computer chess program, but I doubt it was as advanced as say, the MIT Greenblatt program, that appeared in the late 70s. |
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| Aug-05-13 | | Expendable Asset: Name-calling: A quick, clean, and precise way to "win" an argument., or to simply get your point across. |
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Aug-05-13
 | | keypusher: <expendable asset> Off topic: what do you mean by an "effective" actor? You can answer in my forum if you like. |
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Aug-05-13
 | | Tomlinsky: Despite his greatness as a player, Botvinnik's 'Computers, Chess and Long-Range Planning' was a booklet of completely unimplementable tosh. |
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| Aug-05-13 | | Estoc: <HeHateMe> Milan Vidmar excelled in electrical engineering. |
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Aug-17-13
 | | brankat: R.I.P. Mikhail Botvinnik. |
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Aug-17-13
 | | parisattack: Yes, R.I.P Mikhail Moisevich.
His games and annotations make excellent study; perhaps the best for the club player. |
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Sep-29-13
 | | offramp: Incredible Botvinnik lookalike:
Actor James Woods:
www.starpulse.com/Actors/Woods,_James/gallery/AE-
S-074474/ |
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Oct-14-13
 | | visayanbraindoctor: Game Collection: Botvinnik vs the World Champions Decisive Games |
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| Oct-16-13 | | Penguincw:  Quote of the Day
< "Chess is the art of analysis." > -Botvinnik
Nowadays, computers have also been "artistic". |
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Oct-16-13
| | parisattack: Botvinnik was not a chess genius - like Morphy, Capablanca, Fischer or Kasparov. He was talented, but more he was incredibly focused - which shows in his style of play (Identify a strategic target early in the game and drill) - and perhaps the hardest working, most serious 'student' the game has seen. We cannot all be GMs, but I think the Botvinnik Model is one every player may use to improve. |
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| Oct-17-13 | | Penguincw: Quote of the Day
< "Chess is the art which expresses the science of logic." > - Botvinnik
He's been mentioning "chess is the art..." a lot now. |
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